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1 | Jesus and the ruling Powers | Bible general Archive 4 | peacebestill | 209125 | ||
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2 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | peacebestill | 209144 | ||
Jeff I am a litte concerned... When one presents the gospel there are certain vital elements that cannnot really be left out if we are to give the message straight. I am not making an assumption here that you do not do what I am about to say, but it seems as if you would prefer not to tell a sinner that they are on their way to hell... I would think that the first element of a presentation of the gospel would be the need for salvation - people are sinners they should be told they are sinners. The next elememt would be how God feels about sin. God plans to punish all sinners with a terrible judgment and wrath. If they do not get saved they will most certainly go to hell. And we do know for certain that unbelievers as long as they remain so are definitely going to hell. So how in the world do you avoid that part of the message? If you say to someone you are a sinner without telling them the consequences, don't you think that you do them a diservice? The next element would be the message of salvation by faith alone in Jesus Christ. Jesus says in John 3:14-21 that when people hear the word of the gospel and do not believe in Him to eternal life, they have been judged already. Our job is to give people the gospel and let the Holy Spirit do His work to convict them of sin to repentance, or to shut them up under unbelief unto eternal damnation because they reject Jesus. We are just messengers, but if we do not get the message straight and have the fortitude to give it straight how are we doing our jobs for Jesus? Hell is part and parcel of the message and we do know that the Bible says homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. How can we truly say we do not know who is going to hell? I think there are some clear Biblical instances where we do. 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10. peacebestill |
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3 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | peacebestill | 209196 | ||
Jeff I was responding to this which you originally said; It's not our place to ever tell someone their going to Hell... we don't know that. If you have the opportunity to talk to any person regarding his/her particular lifestyle, the best way to do that is with the Word of God. Straight and to the point should be the rule. Otherwise we might end up thinking we can some how present it in a way (our own way) that is somehow "more effective". My point to you was that ALL SINNERS INCLUDING homosexuals are indeed going to hell because they are not saved and how can we avoid telling them that they sinners are going to hell, which naturally includes and applies directly to them at the time? My point to you was not that we go up to homosexuals in a conversation and say you are gay you are going to hell. But it was in having a converstation with a homosexual about sin and salvation, telling them that any sinner, they as a sinner need salvation because they are sinners, whatever that sin or sins are, and that the consequence if they do not is eternal hell? I was following the context but missed how your point in saying the WHOLE message needs to be preached because NOT TELLING A SINNER THEY ARE GOING TO HELL is the antithesis of the gospel message BECAUSE SINNERS WHO DO NOT REPENT ARE GOING TO HELL. Obviously saved sinners are not that was moot was it not?! I did not miss 1 Corinthians 6:11, I was making a point that 1 Corinthias 6:10 applies to unsaved homsexuals going to hell for sure! Now, that being said, I do not believe that homosexuality is the ULTRA sin of all sins, there are many lists of sins in the Bible and none is meant to be exhaustive... But to stand there with a homosexual who really is addressing the issue from their end and claiming they can continue on in that sin and not telling them they will go to hell after discussing why salvation, how salvation would be dead wrong. Romans 1:32 And although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do those the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. peacebestill |
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4 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | peacebestill | 209293 | ||
Jeff I mean you no disrespect here... I think we actually do believe the exact same thing, but that I got the misimpression at first that we did not. So I apologize if you feel like I do not understand you, I think I do and that we both agree that all the elements have to be presented to the homosexual of the gospel. And I agree with you that one cannot just beat sinners over the head with sin and hell and leave out the rest of the message. I hope you can see I am really not interested in arguing, but in coming to a common ground of understanding. And seeing as how we both actually believe the same thing I too have no more to offer. Have a blessed Lord's day. Ephesians 4:3 Being dilegent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. peacebestill |
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5 | Where do angels sing in the Bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | peacebestill | 208715 | ||
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Sons of God in the beginning of Job refers to angels going up to the throne of God in heaven. Many have tried to say it does not because the same phrase is used in Genesis 6 and there would be a connotation that many do not like. However, men cannot and do not go up into heaven and present themselves to God, angles do. See Job chapters one and two for that part, that sons of God refers in Job to angels. So when we get to Job 38:7 we have that the angels are present when the foundation of the world is being laid down, and they are singing. peacebestill |
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6 | Responsibility in the original text | Ezra 10:4 | peacebestill | 208600 | ||
Minister Bows44 You are much welcome, any time. peacebestill |
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7 | Responsibility in the original text | Ezra 10:4 | peacebestill | 208605 | ||
rolff Thanks for the link. GreekBibleStudy.org http://www.greekbiblestudy.org/ The Greek Resurgence Project http://www.zhubert.com/ blueletterbible http://cf.blueletterbible.org/ Ethereal Library http://ccel.wheaton.edu/ Precept Austin http://preceptaustin.org/ Scripture4all http://www.scripture4all.org/ The Online Bible http://www.onlinebible.net/ 2 Timothy 2:15 peacebestill |
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8 | Responsibility in the original text | Ezra 10:4 | peacebestill | 208606 | ||
Azure Thank you muchly Azure! Ephesians 1:3 peacebestill |
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9 | Praises Inhabited By Presence of Lord? | Ps 33:1 | peacebestill | 208776 | ||
John Oh pure joy John! Thank you! Inhabitest! No wonder I couldn't find it... peacebestill |
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10 | "Mystery of God" Rev 10 | Amos 3:6 | peacebestill | 208401 | ||
John Gmuer I have only one question for you; how is the Christ being finished in this verse, Revelation 10:7? Christ all ready finished and sat down at the right hand of the Father, Christ rising to the status of Christ has been completed... So in what sense do you mean that Christ is being finished here, not finishing, but being finished as the scripture says something, being the mystery is being finished, and not the mystery in is finishing something else not mentioned? peacebestill |
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11 | What is the meaqning of 'sealing?' | John 6:27 | peacebestill | 208377 | ||
Azure The concept of the train of thought is this; Colossians 1:19 For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him. - first part; Jesus disguised His deity and was still God and not really a man: This would make Jesus as deciever so this understanding of Colossians 1:9 is false. - Jesus is completely Man and completely God. Second part; Jesus became fully human as a real Man, He was still God but gave up independant use of His attributes - examples; Mark 9:21 And He asked his father, "How long has this been happening to him?" etc. - Jesus as God is omnipotent but chose not to know as Man and had to ask the question to find out the answer. Mark 13:32 But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. - Jesus as an omnipotent God subordinated Himself as a member of the sovereign Godhead to choose not to know a thing while in the state of being Man. Third part; Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and etc. - it was not until He became full of the Holy Spirit that He was ready to go be tempted by Satan - Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread etc., verse 15 And He began to teach etc. Fourth part; question, is it possible to do the works of the Father without the power of the Holy Spirit operating through one? No. When did Jesus receive the Holy Spirit and when did He begin working? He received the Holy Spirit in the Jordan and not before, then He went to work the works of His Father after He returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit and He began teaching in that same power. To give you a more direct answer to your last two paragraphs - Jesus had that He as God in eterinty past made full use of His powers. When He came down to live as Man He did not lose any power, but He set the use of it aside until a time came to put it back on to do the work. He never stopped being a Sovereign member of the Godhead with the FULL ABILITY to use His powers, but He chose for a time to put them down. When He got baptized in the Jordan in Luke 3:21 we see exactly what you said, that there was an expression of God the Father Himself bearing witness of Christ as the Son of God, the Messiah. But according to Luke chapter 4:1, 14 there is more to recieving the Holy Spirit than just a recgonition by the Father because the word power does not mean simply power but miraculous power in both verses. In fact in verse 37 of the same passage it says that He was doing miracles by this same miraculous power, the same power He recieved in the Jordan, the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit revealed in Luke 4:14. However I would be careful in clarifying that and say that He could have chosen to use His omnipotent powers any time before the Jordan, but He did not as a choice on His part to subordinate Himself to the Father, and that in doing so He also chose to receive the Holy Spirit in order to put back on the fully divine nature that He momentarily for 30 some odd years put off. I think the Jordan is more than just two things though, I think it is also an example to us, just as Jesus subordinated Himself spiritually and physically to the Father in order to recieve the power of the Holy Spirit, so also we too submit by His example to the same things He did before working for God. I look forward to your response on this as I am interested in the studied opinions of others. peacebestill |
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12 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | peacebestill | 208510 | ||
jamison Question; is it true that we have to keep all the commandments to at first get saved, which was the original question? Here are some scriptures that say you have to accept Jesus as your savior. John 3:16-19 John 5:24 John 6:53-58 John 10:27, 28 Romans 5:10 Romans 8:1 1 Corinthians 1:18 Colossians 1:13 peacebestill |
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13 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | peacebestill | 208511 | ||
jamison Could you please just answer Hank's question and tell us all what, exactly this "outside the box" type theology this is you believe in? And further, could you please define which theology Jesus had that was "outside the box"? And next please define what theology the Pharisees had that was "inside the box"? And would you be willing to do all that with scriptures please?:-) peacebestill |
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14 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | peacebestill | 208512 | ||
jamison Please prove what you purport. You purport that "our" whoever that is, that "our" theology does not come from scripture. I would like you to prove that, that statement is without merit without proof. I would like to see you take an expample of a well known theologian and take his theology point by point and scripturally disprove that his theology did not come from the Bible, but that he inserted his theology into the Bible... peacebestill |
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15 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | peacebestill | 208551 | ||
jamison What makes you think that someone who believes in theology today has not tested it out to see if it lined up with what Jesus taught and what the apostles taught? Is it because they don't believe what you believe, whatever that is, that you still have not disclosed what that is? Jesus clarified the law, He set forth new teachings about old things. You are stuck on phraseologies like "mainstream theology" which doesn't mean anything specific. You speak in great generalizations. I think that you would like to think that theologians today can be likened to Pharisees who built their teachings on their misunderstanding of the purpose of the law. Theologians have for centuries built their teachings on what Christ directly taught about everything he addresses, as well as what the apostles taught about what they addressed. There is a real difference between the Pharisees teaching and Christian orothodox theology. You seem very willing to poke at what others believe in challenging them to think outside the box as if they haven't, but very unwilling to say what you really believe about the subject at hand in detail. You still are unwilling to answer Hank's questions. Tell us what your real objections are step by step about "mainstream" theology so that we can properly address your concerns please. It is not very fair of you to tell everybody that your theology is not imortant here while you attempt to get others to explain theirs. John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. I think that Jesus was clear that you have to accept Jesus as savior or perish - you said you could not find where in the Bible that concept. And when I posted you a bunch of scriptures prooving that it is true that the Bible teaches you had nothing to say about that it is true, that the theology is sound, and you moved on to the next part of your point. You can address, or not address anything you please, but are you really willing to put forth what you believe theogically for everyone to see or just "knock" everyone else for having "main stream" theology. peacebestill |
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16 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | peacebestill | 208552 | ||
jamison Can you repeat the question please? It is not clear what the question is from reading you in the thread? :-) Was the question why do we not do what Jesus said about how to get eternal life in the case of the that man? If that is the question, it was answered by someone who explained that Jesus was pointing to the man's inability to keep the law as a way to get there, rather than really giving him a way to eternal life. Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. peacebestill |
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17 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | peacebestill | 208564 | ||
jamison John 3:16-19 This scritpture clearly states that if you do not believe in Jesus you have been judged already and that you will perish. John 5:24 This scripture shows that only those who believe in Jesus will pass into eternal life, implying that those who do not, won't. John 6:53-58 This scripture shows that unless you take Jesus into yourself you will not inherit eternal life. John 10:27, 28 This scripture shows that those who believe in Jesus inherit eteral life, implying that if you don't you won't. Romans 5:10 This scripture shows that those who take Jesus as savior you are reconciled to God, now if you don't you won't. Romans 8:1 This scripture shows that for those who are in Christ Jesus there is no condemenation, showing that if you don't take Christ there is condemnation. 1 Corinthians 1:18 This scripture shows that the cross is of no matter to those who are perishing, that means there will be those who perish because they refuse to believe. Colossians 1:13 This scripture shows that Jesus transfers those who believe in Him from the domain of darkness, implying that if you don't take Him you will remain in the domain of darkness. Now, all that being said, it is clear that if you do not take Jesus as your savior you will perish - this goes to the point of the original questioner, which point you have long since left off. Now, it is also equally clear that you have no intention of strictly abiding by the Forums rules because you admit to John that you like to argue, you are arguing with everybody here, which qualifies as debating, which thing is not allowed here. STOP. Next, you also admit that your theological mind set and beliefs go against the Forum's rules; so which is it? You don't believe the Sola Scripturas? You don't believe the Deity of Christ? You don't believe in the basic tenets of Christianity regarding the means of salvation as by faith alone, by grace alone? Or how about this one, You don't believe in being here on honest grounds to do Bible study with everyone according the Forum rules, period, becuase you want to use this forum to grind your theological axe into the ground, which breaks another Forum rule. YOU ARE PUSHING YOUR VIEWS ON EVERYONE. STOP. Colossians 3:1 Therefore if you have been raised up in Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. peacebestill |
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18 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | peacebestill | 208579 | ||
jamison I put baptism in there in response to the question; What do we need to do to know God and avoid the penalty for sin. I put it there becuase we also have to obey Jesus, but not as a requirement of salvation, but as part of the requirement to get to know Him. The rules you are seemingly breaking are arguing, which is debating, and pushing your view that other should "think outside the box". That is not accusing you, that is fact. And merely asking you which one of the Forums requirments you yourself say you would not be welcomed here any more because of is a fair question and is also not accusing you. I do believe in grace alone, by faith alone, but I also believe in being obedient to Christ to get baptized in "getting to know Him", which was part of the oringal question to which I gave baptism as part of an answer. It seems that you have the right to challenge others on what they believe, but if someone challenges you to prove what you purport you get defensive. You also do not seem to be willing to listen when told by more than two persons that you are arguing or unwilling to listen to sound counsel. I will leave off now, you keep right on going the direction you have chosen, with the blessings of Jesus, God Bless you jamison. Proverbs 15:2 peacebestill |
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19 | Nazorite vows - who all took | Acts 18:18 | peacebestill | 208484 | ||
Searcher I am confused, I thought only men could take a vow of being a Nazarite? In the case of Samson's mother an angel told her to do certain things saying Samson would have to be a Nazarite, not her. But she did the deeds of a Nazarite so is that why you mention her? In the case of Hannah she made her vow to the Lord at the doorpost to make sure of if God gave her a son, her son would be a Nazarite. So is that really Hannah taking a Nazarite vow, or is it Hannah taking a vow that her son will be one if she can get one? I agree with you about the hair. According to the instructions in Numbers 6 one cannot have a rozor pass the head to cut the hair. In Acts 18:8, and in Acts 21:24 Paul is about to get his head shaved, or get the head of his followers shaved to fulfill a vow, but it can't be Nazarite because the heads get shaved. peacebestill |
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20 | Nazorite vows - who all took | Acts 18:18 | peacebestill | 208508 | ||
Steve Thank you muchly. Next time I will not be in shch a hurry and read ALL the texts being cited.:-) peacebestill |
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