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Results from: Answers On or After: Thu 12/31/70 Author: RevC Ordered by Date |
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1 | Did One Mode Send the Other? | John 6:56 | RevC | 5018 | ||
Tim this is a condensed version I hope it answers your questions. I will be giving the forum a break for a few days. I'll be on vacation. I'll be back May 16 greater than I." These passages are in the Book of John, the New Testament writer who more than any other identified Jesus as God and the Father It is wrong for anyone to suppose this plural usage to mean that Jesus is a separate person in the Godhead from the Father. However, it does indicate a distinction between the deity Father and humanity Son of Jesus Christ. The Son, who is visible, revealed the Father, who is invisible. Thus, Jesus said, "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also" John 8:19 "The Father hath not left me alone These verses of Scripture use the plural to express a consistent theme: Jesus is not just a man, but He is God also. This explains the dual nature of Jesus and reveals the oneness of God. What happens to Jesus after He ascends back to Heaven? Are there two Gods now? To me Trinitarian seems more like a corporation as opossed to one God.There is only one God, who is the Creator and Father of mankind Malachi 2:10. " human and Divine wills of Christ. The Bible does indicate that Jesus had a human will as well as the divine will. He prayed to the Father, saying, "Not my will, but thine, be done" Luke 22:42. John 6:38 shows the existence of two wills: He came not to do His own will (human will), but to do the Father's will the divine will. That Jesus had a human spirit seems evident when He spoke on the cross, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit" Luke 23:46. Although it is difficult to distinguish between the divine and human natures of His spirit, some references seemingly focus upon the human aspect. For example Mark 8:12 Luke 2:40 Luke 10:21 John 11:33, John 13:21. John 10:38 Father refers to God Himself - God in all His deity. When we speak of the eternal Spirit of God, we mean God Himself, the Father. God the Father, therefore, is a perfectly acceptable and biblical phrase to use for God Titus 1:4. However, the Bible does not use the term "God the Son" even one time. It is not a correct term because the Son of God refers to the humanity of Jesus Christ. The Bible defines the Son of God as the child born of Mary, not as the eternal Spirit of God Luke 1:35. Son of God may refer solely to the human nature or it may refer to God manifested in flesh - that is, deity in the human nature. Son of God never means the incorporeal Spirit alone, however. We can never use the term "Son" correctly apart from the humanity of Jesus Christ. The terms "Son of God," "Son of man," and "Son" are appropriate and biblical. However, the term "God the Son" is inappropriate because it equates the Son with deity alone, and therefore it is unscriptural. The Son of God is not a separate person in the Godhead, but the physical expression of the one God. The Son is "the image of the invisible God" Colossians 1:13-15and "the express image of His God's person" Hebrews 1:2-3. Just as a signature stamp leaves an exact likeness on paper, or just as a seal leaves an exact impression when pressed in wax, so the Son of God is the exact expression of the Spirit of God in flesh. Man could not see the invisible God, so God made an exact likeness of Himself in flesh, impressed His very nature in flesh, came Himself in flesh, so that man could see and know Him. Many other verses of Scripture reveal that we can only use the term "Son of God" correctly when it includes the humanity of Jesus. For example, the Son was made of a woman Galatians 4:4, the Son was begotten John 3:16, the Son was born Matthew 1:21-23; Luke 1:35, the Son did not know the hour of the Second Coming Mark 13:32 MY TURN not only did the Sonship have a beginning, but it will, in at least one sense, have an ending. This is evident from I Corinthians 15:23-28. In particular, verse 24 says, "Then cometh the end, when he Christ shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father…" Verse 28 says, "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto that God may be all in all." This verse of Scripture is impossible to explain if one thinks of a "God the Son" who is co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father. But it is easily explained if we realize that "Son of God" refers to a specific role that God temporarily assumed for the purpose of redemption. When the reasons for the Sonship cease to exist, God Jesus will cease acting in His role as Son, and the Sonship will be submerged back into the greatness of God, who will return to His original role as Father, Creator, and Ruler of all. Ephesians 5:27 describes this same scene in different terms. |
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2 | Modes or Persons? | John 6:56 | RevC | 4942 | ||
Tim take a look at this and give me your opinion! Thanks for your sweet spirit concerning this! God Bless. I Timothy 2:5 puts it, For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. In John 10:30 Jesus said, I and my Father are one. Does that mean unity? Well, I ask if that was all he meant then why did the Jews pick up stones to stone him? v. 31 Jesus asks them why v. 32, and they answered him, because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God v. 33. They understood this as claiming to be God, not claiming to be in accordance with him. So if I and the Father are one means I am God, then he must be God the Father. Some Trinitarians have tried to draw attention to the neuter gender of the word one in this passage (Gk - hen), claiming that this means that they are one in unity. However, this is the same word used in passages such as Eph. 4:4 where it says that there is one Spirit, and no one would argue that this means only one in unity. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus commanded the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Yet they routinely baptized only in Jesus' name.Either they were mistaken, or they understood the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost to be Jesus. Surely the apostles didn't disobey their Lord. I could give you scriptures to show that Jesus is indeed God, however Joe!, we already agree on that supposedly but here are a few that show that he is specifically the Father who is the only God, Mal 2:10; I Cor 8:6. 1. Jesus said that He would send the comforter to us John 16:7, but He also said the Father would send the comforter John 14:26. 2. The Father alone can draw men to God John 6:44 , yet Jesus said He would draw all men John 12:32. 3. Jesus will raise up all believers in the last day John 6:40, yet God the Father quickens gives life to the dead and will raise us up Romans 4:17 I Corinthians 6:14. 4. Christ is our sanctifier Ephesians 5:26, yet the Father sanctifies us Jude 1. We can easily understand all of this if we realize that Jesus has a dual nature. He is both Spirit and flesh, God and man, Father and Son. As our Lord said elsewhere, things I have spoken to you in figurative language an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father John 16:25. Or as Zechariah the prophet said, "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one" Zech. 14:9. |
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3 | Can Modes Interact with One Another? | John 6:56 | RevC | 4935 | ||
Tim thanks for your post it is very informative. I have been arguing with several concerning oneness/trinity issue ...please address the following if you get timeI would like to look at a passage in Revelation 21, which clearly indicates that Jesus is the Father. Starting at verse 5 it reads And He who sits on the throne said, Behold, I am making all things new we are made new by being in Christ 2 Cor. 5:17 And He said, Write, for these words are faithful and true in Rev. 3:14 and 19:11 Jesus is called faithful and true 6 Then He said to me, It is done. compare to John 19:30, "it is finished I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. [In the very next chapter Jesus says this same thing, 22:13-16 I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost Jesus gives the water of life, John 4:10-14; Rev. 7:17. 7 He who overcomes Jesus spoke these words seven times to each of the seven churches in the beginning of this epistle, 2:7,11,17,26;3:5,12,21 will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son emphasis added. Everything in this passage points towards Jesus as the speaker, yet at the end of the passage we realize that it is God the Father. |
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4 | Baptism question in Acts 2 and John 3 | Acts 2:39 | RevC | 4683 | ||
Peter's command in acts 2:38 is for all time. I think a good look at the book of Acts really shows us that. If you look at Acts 19.....You see Paul and some believers who had not fulfilled all of Acts 2:38. Notice what Paul does with them | ||||||
5 | What is important about "I am"? | John 8:58 | RevC | 4678 | ||
Exodus 3:14 You need to read this text it will shed a lot of light for you. This was Jesus basically saying "Hey guys,I am God." "The guy who sent Moses......that was me." So you can see why this drove the jews absolutly nuts ... they considered it blasphemy..... However Jesus made similar statement regarding His diety.... this one just came at the right time and to the right people | ||||||
6 | Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit? | Matt 28:19 | RevC | 4573 | ||
Interestingly enough Jesus was not scizophrenic,yet he did call himself the father and the holy spirit....first of all collosians tells us that in Jesus dwelleth the fullness of the God head bodily, Isaiah tell us He(Jesus) shall be called wonderful,counselor and the MIGHTY GOD...Jesus himself said if you have seen me you have seen the father.....Jesus also said He was the root of of Abraham and teh offspring of David. In the book of Revelation Jesus said he was the alpha and the omega..... .Thomas proclaimed to Jesus after the resurrection...My Lord, My God......John tells us in the beginning was the word the word was with God and the word was God and teh word became flesh and swelt amoung us......His name is Emmanual which means God is with us.... The list goes on and on and on... To suppose that there are actually three God is heresy and a very dangerous doctrine....... Peter,Paul and all the apostles understood this and this is how the baptismal formula is fulfilled in by the apostles. | ||||||
7 | Baptism of the Holy Spirit after reborn? | 1 Cor 12:13 | RevC | 4479 | ||
To me it is extreamly biblical. If you read the book of Acts you can see very clearly that this is a biblical event that happened after people where converted or believed...... Jesus told the apostles to recieve the Holy Spirit and the HE breathed on them....He then proceeds to tell them to what or tarrey to recieve power from on high. The Samarians in the book of Acts believed and there weher wonderful miracles and great joy in the city...yet Phillip who is holding the revival in Samaria does not consider them filled or baptized in the Holy Ghost yet....even though they believed and had placed their fath in Christ.... Peter and John came down and prayed that they would get the Holy Ghost Baptism and they did...Now then this happens again in I think about chapter 8 or 9...Paul has ans encounter with some people in Ephesus they believe and had been taught about Jesus...yet they did not have anything but John's(the Baptist) baptism. Paul baptises them in the name of Jesus and the get the Baptism of the Holy Spirit...... To me this is a doctrinal truth that is well grounded in the word of God.... Read the book of Acts and you decide.... Upon recieving this free gift from God you will never believe any other way..I strongly encourage you to seek this out and see what you think... Just pray for God to baptize you in the Holy Spirit and He will and you will know it when He does | ||||||
8 | Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati | 1 Cor 12:13 | RevC | 4475 | ||
The only problem I have with that is, instances such as the samarians and the believers that Paul runs into around Acts 8 or 9. Plus it would seem that at almost every instance the sign of tongues was present.... How do you deal with those issues? | ||||||
9 | Matt 28:19 what is name of each | Colossians | RevC | 2580 | ||
Jesus is the name of all three! Colosians 3 tells us that the fullness of the Godhead dwells in him bodily! Isaiah tells us that His name shall be called wonderful....the mighty God. The apostles after the 28:19 disertation from Christ.....get the baptism of the Holy Ghost and then Peter preaches in acts 2:38 repent every one of you and be baptized in the NAME of Jesus Christ....What!?!?!?! I thought Jesus said Father Son and Holy Ghost! Is Peter crazy? No. Jesus said to baptize IN THE NAME. This is why the word of God says His name is above all names!! Thomas said my Lord ....My God. Yes the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is Jesus. He was the root and the offspring of Abraham. The beginning and the end, the word that was with God and the word that was God, and the word that was made flesh!! I hope this helps it is obvious to me by the colossions verse and others who the name was that Christ referred to. His name shall be called wonderful! Have a great day | ||||||