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1 | Are the 144,000 Jewish Christians? | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 74771 | ||
Greetings, Here is my take on the 144,000. The number is not literal, it is symbolic for all the saved from both sides of the cross. 144 comes from squaring the number 12, the number for God's organized religion (on a lot more on this, see Ray Summer's "Worthy is the Lamb", a commentary on the book of Revelation. 1,000 comes from 10 (number for completeness) to the third power: 10x10x10. It is my view that the number cannot be taken literally, or we also must conclude that they are also only men who have not been with women (Revelation 14). Therefore the Jewish references are allegory for the true Israel of God (see Paul's message in Galatians 4 and Romans 2:28-29). The 144,000 refers to all the saved, on both sides of the cross. |
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2 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 75066 | ||
John, I don't believe the so-called 'rapture' of the faithful, as presented in our modern day, is a biblical idea. I certainly believe in the second coming of Christ, but on that day three things will happen in succession. First, the dead in Christ shall rise. Second, "We who are alive and remaining" shall rise to meet the Lord in the air. Third, the judgment of the unrighteous will occur. All of these things will occur on that day. I doubt that anyone else on this forum believes as I do, but there you have it. By the way, a prooftext for the rapture that I've heard used, is the one where Jesus says, 'two will be in the field, one will be taken away and one left.' (my paraphrase). Good day. |
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3 | Church Leadership in Crisis | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 76866 | ||
Treat them as you would any other member. Those who cause trouble are to be dealt with. If the Leadership won't do that, the Leadership should step down. Acts 20 says the Elders are to watch out for and guard the flock. Rom 16:17 Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. Good day |
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4 | is baptism necessary for salvation? | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77036 | ||
Hello, I see this is your first post so let me be among the first to give you an answer. Is Baptism necessary for salvation? What does the Scripture say? First let me state that salvation only comes through faith in the blood of Christ. But this is an active faith, one that hears the commands of Jesus and obeys them. What does the Scripture say about Baptism? The precursor to Christ' baptism was John's baptism. According to Matthew and Mark, John's was a 'baptism of repentance FOR the remission of sins.' In John 3, John baptized in the river Aenon because there was much water there. The baptism spoken of was water baptism. You see from this same chapter that Jesus' disciples were also baptizing. Now after the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, in Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus says to the disciples to 'go make disciples of all the nations, BAPTIZING THEM in the name of the Father, Son, and H.S. The command 'Baptizing them' is echoed by Mark in 16:16, "he who believes and is baptized shall be saved..." The baptism in both of these instances are also water baptism [immersion]. [This baptism is different in a few ways. It is the same in that 'forgiveness of sins is connected to it, but different in that it is 'in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit." Acts 19 shows that 20 years later, those who received John's baptism had to be rebaptized.] 10 days after Jesus' ascension, at Pentecost (Acts 2), Peter preaches the resurrected, triumphant Christ and commands, "Repent and let each of you be baptized, in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). What follows repentance and baptism? Forgiveness of sins. Did the water save them? No. Were they saved by the blood of Christ? Yes. But only when they repented and were baptized. Acts 8:12 shows that men and women were being baptized. There is no case for baptizing infants. In Acts 22:16, Ananias says to Saul--who has been fasting, praying and blind for three days after seeing and hearing Jesus Christ--"now why do you delay, arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16). Some people say they believe baptism is necessary, but they suggest that all of these verses refer to Holy Spirit baptism. That doesn't fit. Acts 8 and the Eunuch went down into the water. Water Baptism is the only baptism that is commanded of all disciples. Ananias didn't tell Saul to get up, so that he could get Holy Spirit baptism. Acts 9 also records that Paul was baptized (9:18). In Romans, a book that teaches justification by faith, also teaches where that faith first initially meets the grace of God: in baptism. Romans 6 says how the Romans were baptized into Christ, were baptized into His death. "Therefore we've been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:3-5) The new life proceeds from the death and burial of the old sinful man. Every sinner must be baptized into Christ. And he does so with the understanding that he is lost because of his sin, and he will rise out of the watery grave because of Christ' holiness. Galatians 3:26,27 shows that 'we are all sons of God by faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ." What is the clothing to which he refers? His Righteousness, his holiness, the perfection that comes through His blood. In the Colossian letter, Paul says essentially the same thing he said in Romans 6 and Galatians 3, 'we are buried with Him in Baptism, in which you are also raised with Him through your faith in the working/operation/power of God who raised Him from the dead" (Col 2:12). The point is that God is powerful and eager to give the new life in Christ. The old self has to be buried in order to be raised into a new life. This is the regeneration that Paul speaks of to Titus. The Holy Spirit is working on the inside, when the sinner, in faith, gets in the water. Jesus commanded water baptism. His divine word assigns a particular reason for it: for remission of sin, to wash away thy sins. God saves at baptism. This too is what Peter preached on Pentecost and restated in 1 Peter 3:21. "Baptism now saves you, not the removal of dirt from the flesh, BUT AN APPEAL TO GOD FOR A CLEAN CONSCIENCE (compare this appeal with what is said in Acts 2:21 and 22:16), it saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I hope this answer satisfies your need. Much more could be said, but this is enough if you are searching for the answer. Salvation is a gift, received at a specific time in the sinner's life: when he/she is baptized in faith. But salvation is by faith, first to last. Good day. |
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5 | disciplerami, support forgiveness last. | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77089 | ||
Searcher56, You can turn to any translation of Acts 2:38; or 22:16 that you like, and there is my support. Your apodosis slapodosis tomfooljugglery does work. Your silly contortions for Acts 2:38 has as much support as NWT does for John 1. So move on, because you aren't convincing anyone but the naive. Take any translation you choose, and it won't come close to your strained attempt at translating. Even the flimsy Living Bible gets it right: "And Peter replied, 'Each one of you must turn from sin, return to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Chrsit for the forgiveness of your sins; then you also shall receive this gift, the Holy Spirit.'" Better yet, how about you take your own advice and type in 'baptism' into the little ID box on the right side and click the 'search' button. Go find the answer there. You are pretty good at giving that advice, how about you follow your own advice? Huh? "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" Come on Search56, you can do better. |
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6 | greatfullydead, Do we immmerse B4 eating | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77091 | ||
I respectfully say that such Tomfooljugglery :) only serves to obfuscate the obvious teaching of the Bible. The action indicated in this verses is the same, if you care to know. The pots, pans and cleansed hands were all immersed, plunged, buried in the water for proper cleansing. Once again, you use the obscure to disprove the obvious. Tsk, tsk, tsk. That's no allowed. I enjoy talking with you Search56 |
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7 | disciplerami, must it be immersion? | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77114 | ||
Hello Searcher56, This is an important question. I imagine if you do a word search you might find the answer. Just type in baptism over on the right side of the forum page and do a little reading. But I don't mind giving you an answer but it's a good question [and not everyone knows the answer; although I think you do, you sly one :)] The word means to immerse: innovations like sprinkling and pouring are only found in extrabiblical writings. The Catholic Encyclodia states: "Three forms of ablution have prevailed among Christians, and the Church holds them all to be valid because they fulfill the requisite signification of the baptismal laving. These forms are immersion, infusion, and aspersion. THE MOST ANCIENT FORM USUALLY EMPLOYED WAS UNQUESTIONABLE IMMERSION [emphasis mine]." (Catholic Enclopedia online, "Baptism") The word means "immerse" and the most ancient writers, and foremost authorities agree, that baptism is by immersion. Have yourself a good day. disciplerami |
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8 | disciplerami, support forgiveness last. | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77119 | ||
I said, check any translation [except for the one Searcher56 Version] and check out Acts 2:38. It all fits very nicely. Keep trying. Disciplerami |
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9 | greatfullydead, Do we immmerse B4 eating | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77204 | ||
Searcher56, where does Mark 7:4 say anything about 'tables?' I've looked at the Greek and see nothing about 'tables?' The only thing mentioned in the Greek is the 'cups', 'utensils', and 'bronze vessels.' Is your question based upon a variant reading? Please respond and tell me from where the question about 'tables' comes. Thanks. |
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10 | disciplerami, support forgiveness last. | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77205 | ||
Repost, Hello Tim and Search and everybody else, The argument for parsing Acts 2:38 as you have shown is without merit, because: 1] No translation available has ever translated it such? You claim that the grammar rules are violated; if so, then your argument is not with me, but with every translation board known to man. Can you show me a single translation that has dared to translate Acts 2:38 as you have offered here? If you give no answer, we all must assume that the Greek scholarship is against you. 2] This argument you offer is old, and has been refuted many times. The two commands, “repent” and “be baptized,” are joined by the correlating conjunction “and.” It follows that if repentance is essential to salvation, so also is baptism. [I realize that you must conclude that repentence is not essential to salvation either, but we shall get to that]. 3] The sentence in Acts 2:38 is what's referred to as a Complex Compound Sentence, comprised of three sentences joined by the correlating conjunction, AND, a] Repent ye (AND)… b] Be baptized (3rd,singular, individually) each OF YE (humon, genetive 'of', plural) on the name of Jesus Christ UNTO the remission of the sins OF YE (humon, genetive 'of, plural), (AND)… 1) in this second sub-sentence, it says 'let be baptized each individual of YE into the name of Jesus Christ with a view to remission of sins. c] YE shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 4] Here's where you take a twist by turning the preposition, EIS, into a causal meaning (because), you also make repentence unnecessary for the remission of sins. To be consistent then, you must say that repentence follows only as evidence that you are saved. Where you did argue by this novel translation that repentence is connected to forgiveness and baptism is not, you must now conclude that repentence and baptism are no more connected to forgiveness than the other: except now, they both follow. Here is how you really see this verse: a] “Because you have forgiveness of sins, you are commanded to repent (it is an imperative, as you pointed out) and commanded to be baptized (an imperative also) … or b] “Repent BECAUSE you have been forgiven of sins, and then you must go ahead and be baptized too, but NOT BECAUSE of your former forgiveness of sins…. [it is you who disassociated baptism from forgivess of sins, right?]. Now you must tell us why we must be baptized. All along, you've been disassociating baptism from forgiveness of sins, while connecting repentance to forgiveness of sins. Now your argument is that repentence follows too! Your argument has been that baptism follows. Now you must, to be consistent with your causal explanation for the preposition EIS, say that repentance isn't associated with forgiveness, not any more than baptism is! ! ! If you deal with anything in this response, deal with this. Explain how all along you can make the case that number and person only connects repentance and forgiveness, and baptism therefore follows. Then you introduce the causal argument for EIS and make repentance no more necessary for forgiveness than is baptism. |
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11 | Misquote? | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77281 | ||
Dear Tim, This is not a misquote; rather it is drawing a logical conclusion from your stated points. Here is what I posted originally, and you have read from a follow up post: ______________ Here's where you take a twist by turning the preposition, EIS, into a causal meaning (because), you also make repentence unnecessary for the remission of sins. To be consistent then, you must say that repentence follows only as evidence that you are saved. Where you did argue by this novel translation that repentence is connected to forgiveness and baptism is not, you must now conclude that repentence and baptism are no more connected to forgiveness than the other: except now, they both follow. Here is how you really see this verse: a] “Because you have forgiveness of sins, you are commanded to repent (it is an imperative, as you pointed out) and commanded to be baptized (an imperative also) … or b] “Repent BECAUSE you have been forgiven of sins, and then you must go ahead and be baptized too, but NOT BECAUSE of your former forgiveness of sins…. [it is you who disassociated baptism from forgivess of sins, right?]. Now you must tell us why we must be baptized. All along, you've been disassociating baptism from forgiveness of sins, while connecting repentance to forgiveness of sins. Now your argument is that repentence follows too! Your argument has been that baptism follows. Now you must, to be consistent with your causal explanation for the preposition EIS, say that repentance isn't associated with forgiveness, not any more than baptism is! ! ! If you deal with anything in this response, deal with this. Explain how all along you can make the case that number and person only connects repentance and forgiveness, and baptism therefore follows. Then you introduce the causal argument for EIS and make repentance no more necessary for forgiveness than is baptism. ______ That is my conclusion from what you have said. Did I misunderstand and if so, please point to the exact place where I went off course from your argument. Thank so much. Disciplerami |
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12 | When did God change "mode" of baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77572 | ||
This question is leading because we don't know that God changed anything. Baptism has always been by immersion. The Scripture hints at no other mode. The other modes that are common today are the traditions of men, instituted long after the Scriptures were completed. Good question. Thanks, Disciplerami |
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13 | Failure to communicate? | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77796 | ||
Some say, "We need to cast aside norms that aren't 100 percent truth." Let's see how consistent he is. Will he quit defending sprinkling and pouring in place of immersion when there is 0 percent evidence for them? I doubt it :) Disciplerami |
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14 | When did God change "mode" of baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 79361 | ||
Taleb, Good question. God did not change it. In my opinion, the only explanation is that man changed it. Immsion is the only one that depicts the 'death, burial and resurrection.' Good day, Disciplerami |
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15 | When did God change "mode" of baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 79360 | ||
Taleb, Good question. God did not change it. In my opinion, the only explanation is that man changed it. Immsion is the only one that depicts the 'death, burial and resurrection.' Good day, Disciplerami |
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16 | How can I locate the church that Jesus b | NT general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77344 | ||
Hello Derdan, The Bible offers a glimpse of the early church with all of its imperfections, but also with all of the authorized practices: commands, examples, inferences. I recall hearing once of a prisoner in Oklahoma who started a Bible study group. They were getting pretty organized in worship and teaching and began to wonder if there was a church on the outside that believed as they did. [This is the truth, I met this man after he was released from prison. He spoke in a chapel service]. The group compiled a list of things they believed [20 or so items, I don't recall] and mailed them to quite a few churches in the OK City area. Along with the questions, was a request for responses. One church sent back a response and they agreed on every one. I won't tell you which church it was, but the incident revealed that honest people could look at the Bible and come to an agreement. When this man got out of prison, he began to fellowship with this same group. |
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17 | Identifying the born again moment | NT general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77852 | ||
Dear Dalprad, We know that Cornelius couldn't have been saved before he heard Peter's preaching. Acts 11:14 confirms as much: "and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household." When the Holy Spirit fell upon Cornelius and household, Peter had only began his preaching: "And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning." So the things Cornelius did prior to that were done while in an unsaved condition. He was: "a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, and gave many alms to the Jewish people and prayed to God continually" (Acts 10:2) Obviously, prior to the moment of salvation, Cornelius was spiritually discerning. It was this trait in him that got God's attention: "Your prayers and alms have ascended as a memorial before God" (Acts 10:4) The moment of salvation is when God says it is. Read the following: Galatians 3:26,27 Colossians 2:12 1 Peter 3:21 Acts 22:16 Acts 2:38 Mark 16:16 God bless you, Disciplerami |
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18 | Identifying the born again moment | NT general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77953 | ||
Hide the Thread? Why? Someone help me to understand why this thread has been hidden from the main forum page? The original question seems like a legitimate one, one that should be debated. Good day. |
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19 | Identifying the born again moment | NT general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77952 | ||
Hide the Thread? Why? Someone help me to understand why this thread has been hidden from the main forum page? The original question seems like a legitimate one, one that should be debated. Good day. |
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20 | Identifying the born again moment | NT general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77959 | ||
DalPrad, I see this thread has been 'temporarily restricted' from appearing on the homepage. Do you know why? I'm curious why this would be done. Disciplerami |
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