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1 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 209496 | ||
Hi, Brother Jeff... It is a very old position to take. The one you are espousing is the more recent one. I'm simply stating that Scripture denies that a man can serve two masters. You argued the "and such were some of you" of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Note the past tense, buddy. How do you think those folks who ONCE WERE practicing drunkenness, adultery, deception, thievery, sorcery, and idolatry differed in behavior from the lost guys that ARE NOW practicing drunkenness, adultery, deception, thievery, sorcery, and idolatry? :-) The teaching of Christ and the apostles doesn't allow for one foot on the dock and the other in the boat. Every genuine conversion is accompanied by radical change. We never, ever suggest to lost people who are acting like lost people, talking like lost people, and sinning like lost people that they might be stealth Christians. Because, bro, there ain't no such critter. The only hope for anyone is through redemption in Jesus Christ. Those who willfully practice sin can be wonderfully and marvelously saved... and when they are saved, the willful practice of these kinds of sins will disappear. They will no longer be the "them" of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, but they will become the "you" of verse 11. In Him, Doc |
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2 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209514 | ||
Doc- at this point I am hopelessy at a loss in even comprehending where we are missing each other here, seriously. I mean no insult and I mean no disrespect. It is difficult, if not impossible, for me to understand how it is that you are either so incapable of understanding me or I am so incapable of making myself understood. You keep giving responses that insinuate I have taken positions that I haven't even hinted at. After multiple rereads of my own posts, I can't even imagine where I might have suggested that a man can serve two masters, for example. "Stealth Christians"? Never heard of such a critter so we're in agreement for sure on that one brother. You yourself "note the past tense" of "and such were some of you" which is what I pointed out to you so I'm not following. The past tense vs the future is exactly what I have been arguing all along. A homosexual today.... may.... be.... the saved man of tomorrow. So,... judging him... eternally lost....can not be supported by Scripture. Scripture says that "inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment," Hebrews 9:27 (NASB) If we declare they are eternally lost then we are rewriting Scripture. Judgment comes after death. 1 Corinthians 4:1-5 (NASB) 1 Let a man regard us in this manner, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 In this case, moreover, it is required of stewards that one be found trustworthy. 3 But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself. 4 For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord. 5 THEREFORE DO NOT GO ON PASSING JUDGMENT BEFORE THE TIME, BUT WAIT UNTIL THE LORD COMES who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God. (emphasis added) I've asked you if your believing I am saying that a person immersed and willfully living in sin is A SAVED PERSON (emphasis not intended as yelling). You didn't address that so I'm not sure if your reading my entire posts. You asked me: "How do you think those folks who ONCE WERE practicing drunkenness, adultery, deception, thievery, sorcery, and idolatry differed in behavior from the lost guys that ARE NOW practicing drunkenness, adultery, deception, thievery, sorcery, and idolatry? :-)" I don't think they were different; do you think they were different? My point, from the very beginning, was that just as "those folks" ONCE WERE; the homosexual or murderer, or theif, or drunkered you meet today may be changed so that it could be said of him (after being called out of his sin by God) that he ONCE WAS, but no longer is. Doc, as long as I've been engaging in bible study, to include my time here on the forum, I can't remember a time where I was so incapable of getting my point across. I do not doubt that this is the case here as evidenced by your apparent belief that I am saying things that I am not saying. For that I offer a sincere apology and beg your patience in spite of my obvious frustration at times. God bless, Jeff |
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3 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | azurelaw | 209517 | ||
May I jam in here brother Jeff and Doc? The original question is: "how can we minister to homosexuals rather than tellin them they are going to hell or avoidin the issue i hop im clear ." The question doesn't state if the homosexuals are professed to be converted christian or homo unbelievers. If both of you understand the question differently, then your argument will be rooted differently. What I see from the discussion, it seems to me that: Jeff interprets the question as "ministering to the unbelieving homosexuals." Thus I think his point of not judging the enternal condition is sound based. Of course we can discern and be sure that according to their (the unbelieving homo) current/present status, they should have no place in the Kingdom of God. Doc could have interpret the question as "minister to the so-call to be professed believers who are still engaged in homo". Their status is not an evidence of their repentance in concern with the saving faith. Therefore, we can tell they ARE/WERE not saved. This is sound as a true believer is a new creation. All in all, be they unbelieving homo or professed believers of homo, I think we must tell them what their end result will be without repenting (i.e. the wrath of God) based on their current/present situation. (Ezek 3:17-18) Do I understand you both correctly or just rambling aournd? Hope my little input does not complicate the matter. Shalom Azure |
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4 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209532 | ||
Sister- you understand me exactly. Thank you for your fresh input and keen ability to word things appropriately so their understandable. I wish I had that but understand that I do not so it's a struggle. Since you communicate so well in English, sister, I can only imagine how skilled a communicator you are in your original language. Thanks, Jeff |
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