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1 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209476 | ||
Doc- you wrote: "To suggest to someone who is willfully practicing drunkenness, deceit, adultery, thievery, etc. that they MIGHT be saved, is giving false assurance and doing it in complete repudiation of Scripture." I sincerely disagree with you brother. I'm having a most difficult time believing that you are taking this position. It’s easier to believe though (and might be the case) that we are continuing to misunderstand each other. If that be the case, let me point to what I see (assuming I’m reading you right) as a misrepresentation of what I have said. Are you saying here that I have suggested or stated that I believe that a person who is “willfully practicing”, living in a continuous and willful lifestyle of sin, IS saved, or MIGHT be saved in the present. If I am reading you wrong please redirect me. If I have you right then I’m convinced at that point that you have misunderstood me. It is why I wrote to another poster to reread my post(S). I am confident that my posts clearly represent that I have continually referred to a person’s eternal condition (the final state – and not the current state)…. the end result, never ever was the current state ever my argument. Doc, thanks for pointing to 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. I rest my case in verse 11. “AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU. BUT you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God” (ESV, emphasis added). When believers go into the world and witness to the lost why do we do that? Because our Lord commanded it (Mark 16:15)... and He assured that there would be a direct result in that some will believe and will be saved (Mark 16:17). When we, in sin, judge that an individual or certain demographic is beyond hope we have certainly lost our ability to witness to them. Tragic! So teaching that someone who willfully practices these (or any) sin is beyond salvation is really the falsehood here. Never believe for a minute my friend that offering the hope of a willing and able Savior is “giving false assurance” and it is never “in complete repudiation of Scripture” but rather, is our obedience to our Lord’s command and in hope of His promise. We were all willfully in our sin before the Lord called us. (Romans 5:8). You wrote: “If Scripture doesn't give them assurance, all the while we tell them there is hope for those who cling to their sin, then we do sin grievously (Ezekiel 13:16; Jeremiah 28:9-17).” You surprise me Doc… that you would even insinuate that I’m advocating that. “Clinging to sin” is your input… I never even suggested it. But to address that I’ll only say that Paul surely was clinging very tightly to his up to the time he met the Lord face to face…. was he not? Jeff |
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2 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 209496 | ||
Hi, Brother Jeff... It is a very old position to take. The one you are espousing is the more recent one. I'm simply stating that Scripture denies that a man can serve two masters. You argued the "and such were some of you" of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Note the past tense, buddy. How do you think those folks who ONCE WERE practicing drunkenness, adultery, deception, thievery, sorcery, and idolatry differed in behavior from the lost guys that ARE NOW practicing drunkenness, adultery, deception, thievery, sorcery, and idolatry? :-) The teaching of Christ and the apostles doesn't allow for one foot on the dock and the other in the boat. Every genuine conversion is accompanied by radical change. We never, ever suggest to lost people who are acting like lost people, talking like lost people, and sinning like lost people that they might be stealth Christians. Because, bro, there ain't no such critter. The only hope for anyone is through redemption in Jesus Christ. Those who willfully practice sin can be wonderfully and marvelously saved... and when they are saved, the willful practice of these kinds of sins will disappear. They will no longer be the "them" of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, but they will become the "you" of verse 11. In Him, Doc |
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3 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | Morant61 | 209507 | ||
Greetings Doc! You wrote: "The only hope for anyone is through redemption in Jesus Christ. Those who willfully practice sin can be wonderfully and marvelously saved... and when they are saved, the willful practice of these kinds of sins will disappear. They will no longer be the "them" of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, but they will become the "you" of verse 11." Are you saying that it is possible for a Christian not to sin? If so, you are agreeing with what I previously said about Romans 6. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 209549 | ||
Dear Tim, Every road has a ditch to the left and the right. Sinless perfectionism, however, is somewhere way back yonder, after having made a bit more than five wrong turns. The fact that the Lord Himself mightily changes the lives of His own -- definitively, progressively, eternally, and completely in glory -- repudiates rather than rescues sinless perfectionism. The Lord's eternal purpose isn't to enthrone the fallen human will. The sovereignty of the human self determinism is a shaky foundation, theologically, philosophically, practically, and biblically. God won't share His glory. In Him, Doc |
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5 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | Morant61 | 209554 | ||
Greetings Doc! In your statement, you said that the 'willful practice of these sins will disappear'. Do you agree with your statement or not? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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