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1 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209163 | ||
Peacebestill- Sorry for the delay... at work and just getting to my lunch break. Sorry for your concern. The problem may be in your reading into the posts, not reading all of the post(s), not keeping context in mind or any combination of these. A reread of my posts should, hopefully, relieve your concern. You wrote: “When one presents the gospel there are certain vital elements that cannot really be left out if we are to give the message straight.” In my response to Tyboswell I wrote: “If you have the opportunity to talk to any person regarding his/her particular lifestyle, the best way to do that is with the Word of God. Straight and to the point should be the rule. Otherwise we might end up thinking we can somehow present it in a way (our own way) that is somehow "more effective" So I clearly took the position that NO elements should be left out; rather than “certain” elements should be included. I went on to point out that: “Contrary to a lot of approaches out there today, there is simply no better counsel than the Word of God. No method of presentation is going to improve on it. Pertaining to me you wrote: “it seems as if you would prefer not to tell a sinner that they are on their way to hell...” This seems to be the first time in the thread this has come up. Not quite sure what you mean by “on their way to hell” but my response was that it is not our place to say they are GOING to Hell. Please consider my response to Doc again. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says: For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, (ESV) Romans 5:8 says: But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Who does the “us” in Romans 5:8 refer too? Is there a particular sin that is beyond Christ’s redemption? Is homosexual behavior? You wrote: “God plans to punish all sinners with a terrible judgment and wrath.” Well… no… God has and is saving some. By His grace he calls some out of sin saving us through faith in Jesus Christ. (Eph 2:5, 8). We don’t “get saved” but rather, God saves us but I'm assuming here that you meant that those that He does not save will die eternally separated from God. I’m afraid that we too often pick and choose sins (homosexuality, murder, etc.) and judge the involved person as lost. Thankfully, and as I’m trying to point out in this thread, the call is not ours. There will be homosexuals who spend eternity separated from God. There will homosexuals who are called out of their sin, touched by the mercy and grace of God as they receive the faith to believe and receive that most miraculous gift in Christ. As for your reference to 1Corinthians 9-10 I’m afraid therein may be the problem. As you so rightly argue, the WHOLE message is what’s important. Please refer to verse 11. Stopping short at verse 10 neglects the gospel message. Hope this is helpful and God bless, Jeff |
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2 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | peacebestill | 209196 | ||
Jeff I was responding to this which you originally said; It's not our place to ever tell someone their going to Hell... we don't know that. If you have the opportunity to talk to any person regarding his/her particular lifestyle, the best way to do that is with the Word of God. Straight and to the point should be the rule. Otherwise we might end up thinking we can some how present it in a way (our own way) that is somehow "more effective". My point to you was that ALL SINNERS INCLUDING homosexuals are indeed going to hell because they are not saved and how can we avoid telling them that they sinners are going to hell, which naturally includes and applies directly to them at the time? My point to you was not that we go up to homosexuals in a conversation and say you are gay you are going to hell. But it was in having a converstation with a homosexual about sin and salvation, telling them that any sinner, they as a sinner need salvation because they are sinners, whatever that sin or sins are, and that the consequence if they do not is eternal hell? I was following the context but missed how your point in saying the WHOLE message needs to be preached because NOT TELLING A SINNER THEY ARE GOING TO HELL is the antithesis of the gospel message BECAUSE SINNERS WHO DO NOT REPENT ARE GOING TO HELL. Obviously saved sinners are not that was moot was it not?! I did not miss 1 Corinthians 6:11, I was making a point that 1 Corinthias 6:10 applies to unsaved homsexuals going to hell for sure! Now, that being said, I do not believe that homosexuality is the ULTRA sin of all sins, there are many lists of sins in the Bible and none is meant to be exhaustive... But to stand there with a homosexual who really is addressing the issue from their end and claiming they can continue on in that sin and not telling them they will go to hell after discussing why salvation, how salvation would be dead wrong. Romans 1:32 And although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do those the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. peacebestill |
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3 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209248 | ||
You wrote: "BECAUSE SINNERS WHO DO NOT REPENT ARE GOING TO HELL" I'll point to "WHO DO NOT REPENT" and ask you to couple that with the rest of what I have written in the thread. If your not able to get it from that then I'm afraid I don't have anything more to offer. Good luck with this, Jeff |
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4 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | peacebestill | 209293 | ||
Jeff I mean you no disrespect here... I think we actually do believe the exact same thing, but that I got the misimpression at first that we did not. So I apologize if you feel like I do not understand you, I think I do and that we both agree that all the elements have to be presented to the homosexual of the gospel. And I agree with you that one cannot just beat sinners over the head with sin and hell and leave out the rest of the message. I hope you can see I am really not interested in arguing, but in coming to a common ground of understanding. And seeing as how we both actually believe the same thing I too have no more to offer. Have a blessed Lord's day. Ephesians 4:3 Being dilegent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. peacebestill |
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5 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209295 | ||
Blessed day to you also! | ||||||