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1 | Before, during, or after? | Bible general Archive 4 | skccab | 203112 | ||
Good morning Brad, I guess now the question for me is am I understanding those 2 verses correctly. I see us, Believers, as the aliens being grafted into Israel. The original question was: are those chapters, Ezek. 40-48 about an allegorical, or metaphorical temple, is it the heavenly temple, or the tribulation, or millennial, or maybe the newly renovated earthly temple? I apologize for being redundant, but I hoped that maybe some of you folks had learned or heard some new thoughts on the subject over the past year that you'd be willing to share :-). Shalom Cheri |
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2 | Before, during, or after? | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 203117 | ||
Hi, Cheri... Until Dispensationalism in the 1800's, Christians universally interpreted Ezekiel's temple as the spiritual body of Christ. See John 2:18-22; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:20-22; 1 Peter 2:1-10. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Before, during, or after? | Bible general Archive 4 | Val | 203118 | ||
Actually --Notable premillennialists in the early church were Papias (60-130), Irenaeus (130-200), Justin Martyr (100-165), and Tertullian (160-225). - Eschatology in Church History by Michael J Vlach |
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4 | Before, during, or after? | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 203124 | ||
Dear val, Actually, I've only ever heard Dispensationalists avow these ante-Nicene fathers as belonging to their ilk. I've even dug around to try to root out the original quotes on which they base their conclusions. Only small fragments of Papias' writings have survived, but nothing that could be conclusively premillennial. Justin Martyr and Irenaeus divided time into four sections and the world into four zones. They asserted that the present age was the reign of Christ. While Tertullian, a man none too keen on sound doctrine, was a Montanist. Now it is true that Montanists believed in chiliasm... but do we really want those guys as strange bedfellows? Montanists believed they had prophetic gifts that trumped the Scriptures themselves. Anyway, if someone can actually make these particular ante-Nicene folks sound like John Nelson Darby, Cyrus Scofield, Hal Lindsey, or Tim Lahaye ... well... then... they're capable of exegetical sleight-of-hand that makes Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, and Eckhart Tolle look like school children! I lean on the premillennial side myself, but I sure don't want to throw in with sloppy scholarship! I lean toward premillennialism only because Scripture appears to lend itself to such an interpretation. When it becomes indisputable, though I'll treat it as indisputable. But in the mean time I'll stick with the things that are non-negotiable essential truths, and let everyone else sell books and movies. :-) "You will bear me witness, my friends, that it is exceedingly seldom I ever intrude into the mysteries of the future with regard to the second advent, the millennial reign, or the first and second resurrection. As often as we come across it in our expositions we do not turn aside from the point, but if guilty at all on this point, it is rather in being too silent than saying too much." --Charles H. Spurgeon In Him, Doc PS Augustine and John Chrysostom were amillienial. I think they carry a lot more weight than those earlier fellows. Still and all, they don't persuade me. Mostly what bothers me on the forum is a tacit assumption that a historical-grammatical interpretation of Scriptures requires one millennial view or another. That's what is technically known as poppycock. |
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5 | Before, during, or after? | Bible general Archive 4 | srbaegon | 203126 | ||
Hi Doc, Hippolytus was very concerned with the time frames in the book of Daniel (Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol 5) and was probably therefore a pre-millenialist, although it cannot be stated with certainty. Steve |
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6 | Before, during, or after? | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 203138 | ||
Hi, Brother Steve... That may well be. Hippolytus wasn't a Montanist, but I understand he stood up for them at least in their chiliastic assertions. Today I dug up his commentary on Daniel -- or what remains of it. What we have is a comparison of the visions of Nebuchadnezzar and the prophet. I read, with interest, his analysis of the seventy weeks of Daniel. He concludes, though, with the following words: "...from the time of the removal of the continuous sacrifice there are also reckoned one thousand two hundred and ninety days. [then] the day of resurrection. For that is the beginning of another age, as the morning is the beginning of the day. And the thousand and four hundred days are the light of the world. For on the appearing of the light in the world (as He says, 'I am the light of the world'), the sanctuary shall be purged, as he said, the adversary. For it cannot by any means be purged but by his destruction." I've only quoted his concluding remarks, but although Hippolytus was clearly chiliastic, I'd have to call him postmillennial. Nevertheless, thank you for mentioning Hippolytus. I'd seen him referenced in Dispensational works, but I'd not actually read him. By the way, after seeing the allegorical approach to the Scriptures of Hippolytus (not necessarily in the above, but in his other writings), I was thankful for the prayerful thought and work of twenty centuries of believers. Our Lord was gracious, indeed, in giving the church the benefit of such gifts. In Him, Doc |
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