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1 | islam/Christians | Bible general Archive 4 | biblicalman | 229042 | ||
Theoretically, if they followed the teaching of Muhammad Muslims would welcome Christians as the people of the word and would acknowledge the Gospels. Muhammad accepted the Gospels of his day as the word of God, and bade his people to welcome Christians and Jews and not interfere with them. Although they were required to pay a poll tax. In practise Muslims make the excuse that the Gospels have been interfered with and that they can no longer be relied on (even though we have papyri and MS from long before the ones accepted by Muhammad). They have to do this because the Gospels contradict the Hadith (Islamic later tradition). As the Gospels as we have them were accepted by Muhammad this is clearly s deliberate refusal to follow what Muhammad and the Quran taught. But that does not seem to worry them. In theory they believe the Quran. In practise they put the Hadith (later traditions) above the Quran. They also believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but refuse to believe that He died on the cross. The latter on the authority, not of the Quran, but of the Hadith, which says that somehow Judas replaced Jesus on the cross, Jesus being raised to Heaven. The Quran is vague on the subject of the cross and never hints at any part played by Judas. The Hadith also teach that Jesus is coming back again, but will die in battle fighting for Islam. They also reject the fact that Jesus was the son of God (i.e. the son of Allah and Mariam). But that was because Muhammad had a very strange view about the Triunity of God. He had only met heretical Christians and believed that in Christian eyes the Trinity was composed of Allah, Mariam (Mary) and Isa (Jesus). Thus Muhammad never rejected the Trinity as we know it. (He also mixed up Mariam, Moses' sister, and Mary). In fact the Quran exalts Jesus well above Muhammad. It states that He was virginally born, was able to argue and dispute from birth, and turned clay birds into living birds. And that finally He was exalted to Heaven without dying. It is clear from all this last that its ideas are based on the later heretical so-called gospels. |
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2 | islam/Christians | Bible general Archive 4 | justme | 229056 | ||
biblicalman: Dear brother in Christ. There is no "theoretically" about Islam, the Qur'an or "Muhammad Muslims". The Qur'an clearly calls for the murder of Christians and Jews. Christians and Jews are called "infidels". The QUR"AN SAYS TO KILL THE INFIDELS. No where in the Qur'an does Mohammad say to welcome Christians and Jews. I would welcome any proof you have in any Qur'an that has any such statement. In fact Christians who recant their faith, but are not Muslin are called Djinny's and must pay for the life every year or face death. You do state some things correct. But the Jews are to be wiped of the face of the earth, that is not a very kind welcome, as I see it. Blessings. justme |
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3 | islam/Christians | Bible general Archive 4 | biblicalman | 229057 | ||
To a large extent the difference between us lies in the fact that I presented what Muhammad taught in the Quran whilst you are describing Islam as it has become. I thus pointed out that in their attitude today Islam did not obey the whole of the Quran. In other words they deny the teaching of their own holy book. As this is not a site for discussing Islam I wil merely say that Muhammed did not include Christians and Jews as infidels in the Quran. It was polytheists who were called Infidels. Muhammad in fact gained a large part of his ideas from Jews and heretical Christians. No doubt you will be able to cite me the verses in the Quran to which you refer where Christians and Jews are called infidels? Sura 2.62 says, 'Those who believe, and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with the Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.' Sura 5.69 says, 'Surely those who believe (Muslims) and those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians --- whoever believed in God and in the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.' Now I must stress that I do not believe that the doctrine thus taught is true. Nor do I suggest that Islam is an alternative truth. Islam is a total distortion of Christianity. But we must be honest in our presentations. Best wishes |
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4 | islam/Christians | Bible general Archive 4 | justme | 229061 | ||
biblicalman: Mohammed did include Christians and Jews and call then "infidels" in the Qur'an. I It is a understood statement from the Qura'an that "people of the book" are Jews and Christians. Unbelievers in Allah are clearly called "infidels". Also anyone who rejects Islam is an "infidel". Chapter 3:28. "Believers do not make infides for friends,...." 3:32. ...."so surely Allah does not love the infidel...." 3:90. "Surely those who become infidels after believing, then they increase in their infidelity. Their repentance will never be accepted." 4:89. "They desire that you should become infidels as they are infidels so that you should be alike. So do not take any of them for friends until they emigrate for the sake of Allah. So if they turn away, so seize them and kill them where ever you find them, and do not take from them as friends or helpers (who gave you victory)." 4:171. "O people of the book, do not exaggerate in your religion and do not speak against Allah, except the truth. Surely the Christ Isa, son of Mary, is only a messenger of Allah and his word, which he cast to Mary, and a spirit for him. So believe in Allah and his messengers, and do not say. "Three" Cease; it will be better for you. Surely Allah is only one god." 5:17. "Infidels indeed are those who said,"Surely Allah is the Christ, son of Mary." Say. "So who could have anything against Allah if he desired to destroy the Christ, son of Mary, and his mother and all who are on the earth?" 5:19. O people of the book, indeed our messenger came to you to show you after the cessation of the messengers, lest you should say, " No giver of good news or warner came to us." So indeed, he came to you as giver of good news and a warner. And Allah has might over all things." 5:51. "O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Nasara as friends. They are friends to one another. And whoever among you takes them as friends, surely he is one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." 5:72. " Infidels indeed are those who say, "Surely Allah is the Christ, son of Mary." And the Christ said, O children of Israel, serve Allah, my lord and your lord." Surely whoever partners with Allah, so indeed Allah forbids him in the garden. And his abode is the fire, and the unjust will have no helpers (who give them victory)." 8:12. "when your lord revealed to the angels: "I am with you, so make firm those who believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who became infidels. So chop on their necks, and chop off every finger from them." This is because they have opposed Allah and his messenger, and whoever opposes Allah and his messenger, so surely Allah is severe in the punishment. 14. That is, so taste it, and that to the infidel the torment of fire." 9:29. "Engage in war with those who do not believe in Allah and in the last day. And do not forbid what Allah and his messenger forbid, and di not believe in the religion of the truth among those who have been given the book until they pay the jizya out of hand they have subdues." 58:14. "Have you not seen those who make friends with people with whom Allah is angered against? They are neither of your group nor of theirs. And they swear to a lie, and they know. 15. Allah is prepared a severe torment for them, surely what they were doing is evil. 16. They took their oath as a shield, so they prevent (others) from the way of Allah. So they will have a shameful torment. 17. Their money and their children will not benefit then at all with Allah. They are companions of the fire, they will abide in it forever." 58:22. You will not find people who believe in Allah and in the last day who will be friends with one who opposes Allah and his messenger, even if were their fathers or their sons or their bretheren or their nearest relative." THE GENEROUS QUR'AN, An accurate modern English Translation of the Qur'an Islams holiest book. By Usama Dakdok Published by Usama Dakdok Publishing, LLC Venice, FL 2009 biblicalman, the list is so long it would take days to make even more proofs. The Qura'an is full of contradictions, but clearly Islam is no friend of Christians or jews. Allah is an anti-christ. Islam is a a religion, a military and political system, Islam is not a religion of peace, love, or kindness. Islam has killed millions of Christians and Jews over the centuries. Islam conquers, and inslaves those who are not killed. Women are treated as sexual objects, and have limited personal rights as the Qur'an states. To say anything positive about Islam is in my opinion evil in itself. Today countries where Islam is a religion of that country, Israel is the target to be wiped of the face of the earth. Infact Islam want "little satan" na "big satan" to be destroyed. "Little satan" is Israel and "big satan" is the "United States" justme |
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