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1 | Who is the one holding back? | Bible general Archive 4 | Val | 196806 | ||
I am afraid it does, sorry, I don't agree with you. We already have established that. This is my view, not dogmatic, just a view: 2 Thess 2:1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, (Please note the passage I quoted is speaking of our Lord's return and the believers being taken off of the earth, just as it is speaking in this passage, i.e., our gathering together to Him) 2 Thess 2:2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. (some were teaching that the great suffering they were experiencing was because the day of the Lord had already come and they had many questions and worries about it. The day of the Lord is a series of events.) 2 Thess 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 2 Thess 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 2 Thess 2:5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 2 Thess 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. (this takes place after the believers have been taken off the earth. We know that the work of the Holy Spirit is to live in believers and convict them of sin and enable them to live a life overcoming sin and live to righteousness, in other words, loving Christ Jesus and obeying Him) 2 Thess 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. (Anywhere you have godly people they influence the lives of others in their families, their co-workers, everywhere they go because an unbeliever sees their lives and how they follow Christ Jesus obeying Him, loving Him. This is a restraining influence because even those who do not follow Christ are affected by these believers) 2 Thess 2:8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; (Then is a time phrase - it tells when something is going to happen. We know that there are many, many names for the anti-christ and the lawless one is one of them. He does not follow Christ Jesus. He opposes Him and His followers but through the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of believers He is thwarted from doing as he pleases totally) 2 Thess 2:9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, (There is an appointed time for this and I believe that is what you and I differ on. So in the attitude of christain peacefulness let us not break fellowship because we do not agree, ok? I respect and value your thoughts and I hope you will show me the same respect even if it differs from yours. Thanking you in advance, your sister-in Christ) |
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2 | Who is the one holding back? | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 196808 | ||
Dear Val, Thank you for your exposition of the passage in 2 Thessalonians. It is well done and very interesting. When you wrote, "This is my view, not dogmatic, just a view." That properly qualifies the assertion which you subsequently explained. When you wrote "It is the Holy Spirit in the believers. When the believers all leave the earth there will not be as much godly influence" (in post #196786) it had no qualification and no explanation. Consequently, the latter gave the impression of unequivocal truth. I'm not sure what you mean by "what you and I differ on." I haven't stated my eschatological position in this thread, and I haven't even said I disagreed with your view. You see, I don't really have a position! Mainly that's because I haven't yet found a perfectly clear answer in Scripture, nor have I been fully persuaded by those who insist that they have found one! So I tend to adopt Spurgeon's approach, per the quote below. As to breaking of fellowship: I should certainly hope that a deliberation over one of the hard sayings of Scripture wouldn't do that! My goodness! This is only discussion... not a matter of church discipline! Or was it my use of the word "dogmatic" that troubled you? Please see posts #180437 and #190313. That word is not a bad word, nor is the practice of being dogmatic a bad thing. When the Scripture asserts a thing in no uncertain terms, then we can and must only do the same. As a sister in the Lord, I expect you to be dogmatic on such matters of doctrine. You should expect the same of me. We should never be ashamed of those matters of dogmatics when they are enjoined to us by our Lord. In Him, Doc "You will bear me witness, my friends, that it is exceedingly seldom I ever intrude into the mysteries of the future with regard to the second advent, the millennial reign, or the first and second resurrection. As often as we come across it in our expositions we do not turn aside from the point, but if guilty at all on this point, it is rather in being too silent than saying too much." --Charles Spurgeon |
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3 | Who is the one holding back? | Bible general Archive 4 | Val | 196810 | ||
Thank you. Very good then. All is well. Have a good evening. | ||||||