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1 | Salvation for the Gentiles | Bible general Archive 4 | YenIsaRap | 219647 | ||
Dear Brad If you would, could you explain how was a Jew saved, prior to Christ's atonement, proselyte or not? Was it by the works of the Law? For as our beloved brother Paul has said. Rom 9:31,32 31) But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32) Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. Blessings in Emmanuel YenIsaRap |
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2 | Salvation for the Gentiles | Bible general Archive 4 | BradK | 219648 | ||
Hello Yen, I believe Romans 4 would answer for me: Rom 4:1- What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? Rom 4:2- For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. Rom 4:3- For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." (NASB) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Salvation for the Gentiles | Bible general Archive 4 | YenIsaRap | 219649 | ||
Dear Brad I'm terribly sorry for my mistake, please excuse me. I was under the impression that the question was about Jews being saved, in some way before Jesus. But now I see the whole question was about, the Few Righteous people throughout the Bible like Abram. But wasn't he a non Circumcised Gentile at the time he was declared Righteous by God.? Your using (Rom.4) as your source, where the name is Abraham, in an account after the fact, take a look in the old Test. Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. Were not all of the others such a Able, Enoch, Noah weren't they also of the Uncircumcision, (Gentiles). Then the rest, those that were in the loins of "Abraham". These are the ones that we can call Jews. Heb 11:12,13 12) Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. 13) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. They died in faith of the promises to come, not having received them. But not in the Faith that is of Salvation. Blessings YenIsaRap |
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4 | Salvation for the Gentiles | Bible general Archive 4 | BradK | 219651 | ||
Hello Yen, Possibly were not communicating- or rather understanding each other? 1. Salvation has always been by grace throught faith; 2. The OT saint looked forward to the Christ and the cross (John 8:58) Are you saying Jews were not saved in the OT? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK PS- I encourage you to fill out your User Profile so as we can all get to know each other better:-) |
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5 | Salvation for the Gentiles | Bible general Archive 4 | YenIsaRap | 219653 | ||
Dear Brad Sorry it is apparently my fault.:-/ You say "The OT saint looked forward to the Christ and the cross" But your only scripture that backs up your statement, is New Test. (John 8:58) And that is a statement made by Jesus about Himself, which does not saying anything at all, about the beliefs of the Old Test. Jewish Nation. The thing that is lacking, is the Old Test. scripture that states, there WAS SALVATION afforded to the Jewish People before Jesus became our sacrifice. The only thing they were given was the Law, which was to lead them to the knowledge they needed a Savior, because no one gains Righteousness by the works of the Law. Another scripture, that would shed a lot of light on this subject, would be the one that says the Jewish People were looking for a Savior, someone that would save them from their sins. They had the Law, that they believed they could keep. They had no need for a Savior. They were looking for a Messiah, the definition of which does not say (Savior). Anointed, Consecrated, King, or Priest, which is what the definition does say. (Strong's) You ask "Are you saying Jews were not saved in the OT?" "Yes" I have not to this point, seen any evidence to the contrary. When statements are made like VAL "In the old testament people were saved by looking forward to the birth of Christ." That requires a Scripture to back it up. Without Scripture, it is nothing more than a supposition, assumption. Could you answer these for me? 1) If you would, could you explain how was a Jew saved, prior to Christ's atonement, proselyte or not? 2) Was it by the works of the Law? Be Blessed YenIsaRap |
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6 | Salvation for the Gentiles | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 219659 | ||
D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones answered this question back in 1962, "It is made clear in Romans 3:25, 26 that God’s forgiving and passing over the sins of people in the Old Testament was in the light of our Lord’s death. Then there is a parallel statement of this in Hebrews 9:5–15, and especially verse 15. You have the same point, of course, in verses 39 and 40 of Hebrews 11. Then there is the crucial statement in John 8:56: ‘Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.’ When you take that in connection with Romans 4:17–24 and Galatians 3:6–29, it is clear that there is only one way of salvation, and that it is always in and through Christ and His work. Acceptance of and submission to the sacrificial teaching under the old dispensation was an acceptance of God's way of salvation. They realised that these were but types of something that was to come. The fact that their understanding and apprehension were incomplete makes no difference. God announced from the very beginning that there was but this one way of salvation. That is why everything in the Old Testament points forward to this." You might reference the short article here, too: http://gregscouch.homestead.com/files/otsalvation.htm Please note that it is perfectly valid to use the New Testament in order to shed light on the Old Testament. |
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