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1 | Judas is called the son of perdition | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 170319 | ||
Son of perdition means "son of destruction". John 17:12 English Standard Version While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the SON OF DESTRUCTION, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 2Thessalonians 2:3 English Standard Version Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the SON OF DESTRUCTION [Greek the son of perdition (a Hebrew idiom)]. In the New King James Version the phrase "son of destruction" is translated "son of perdition". John 17:12 New King James Version While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 2Thessalonians 2:3 New King James Version Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, The Amplified Bible amplifies the meaning of the term "son of perdition". John 17:12 The Amplified Bible While I was with them, I kept and preserved them in Your Name [ in the knowledge and worship of You]. Those You have given Me I guarded and protected, and not one of them has perished or is lost except the son of perdition [Judas Iscariot--the one who is now doomed to destruction, destined to be lost], that the Scripture might be fulfilled. AMPLIFIED 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition), [Dan. 7:25; 8:25; I Tim. 4:1.] |
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2 | Judas is called the son of perdition | Bible general Archive 3 | BradK | 170322 | ||
Hi kalos, Interestingly, I am currently doing a bit of reading and study on A.W. Pink's, The Antichrist. All the more interesting given the most recent news about the surfacing of the "Gospel of Judas" is the comment offered by Pink about Judas in the chapter titled" The Person of the Antichrist": " In John 17:12 we have a word which, more plainly still, shows that the Antichrist will be Judas reincarnated, for here he is termed by Christ "The Son of Perdition." But first, let us consider the teaching of Scripture concerning Judas Iscariot. Who was he? He was a "man" (Matthew 26:24). But was he more than a man? Let Scripture make answer. In John 6:70 we read, "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a Devil?" It is hardly necessary to say that in the Greek there are two different words for "Devil" and "demon." There are many demons, but only one Devil. Further, in no other passage is the word "devil" applied to any one but to Satan himself. Judas then was the Devil incarnate, just as the Lord Jesus was God incarnate. Christ Himself said so, and we dare not doubt His word. As we have seen, in John 17:12 Christ termed Judas "the Son of Perdition," and 2 Thessalonians 2:3 we find that the Antichrist is similarly designated—"That Man of Sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition." These are the only two places in all the Bible where his name occurs, and the fact that Judas was termed by Christ not a "son of perdition," but "the Son of Perdition," and the fact that the Man of Sin is so named prove that they are one and the same person. What other conclusion can a simple and unprejudiced reader of the Bible come to?" All may not agree however, we can agree that Satan is indeed a liar and such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ (2 Cor. 11:13). Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Judas is called the son of perdition | Bible general Archive 3 | Morant61 | 170324 | ||
Greetings Brad! I am very surprised that someone of Pink's ilk would take such an unusual position. Further, his position is fairly easy to disprove. Consider, John 13:27. It says, " As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him," How could Judas be the Devil incarnate if Satan entered into him? Further, it is not true that the word 'devil' always refers to the person of Satan. Here are a couple of verses where the word 'devil' is used as an adjective meaning something like 'slanderous'. a) 1 Tim. 3:11 - "In the same way, their wives are to be women worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything." b) 2 Tim. 3:3 - " without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good," c) Titus 2:3 - "Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Judas is called the son of perdition | Bible general Archive 3 | BradK | 170325 | ||
Hi Tim, Your insight, as always, is appreciated. I'm not necessarily in complete agreement with Pink on this point. However, it is an interesting observation if nothing else. Possibly Judas could be the Devil incarnate- as the son of satan- in (counterfeit) opposition to Jesus as the Son of God? At any rate, the Gospel of Judas is, in my estimation, a satanic ploy to take the focus off the True God, Jesus Christ and His Person. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | Judas is called the son of perdition | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 170330 | ||
I tend to agree with Pink. I'm not dogmatic about it, but I tend to agree that it is not unlikely that Judas is the antichrist. Where does the Bible actually SAY the antichrist is the devil incarnate? Is it not possible that Judas could be the antichrist - WITHOUT being the devil incarnate? Moreover, I think it more likely that Judas will be the antichrist rather than Prince Charles, Henry Kissinger, or Marilyn Manson, to cite a few of the more ridiculous speculations about the identity of the antichrist. I don't know who the antichrist is and I don't care to know. (If one wants to play Pin the Tail on the Antichrist, Hal Lindsey is one's man.) Yet I think the idea that it will be Judas is worthy of consideration. Grace to you, Kalos |
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6 | Judas is called the son of perdition | Bible general Archive 3 | Morant61 | 170333 | ||
Greetings Kalos! Perhaps I misread Pink's quote, but I thought that Pink was saying that Judas was the Devil incarnate. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Judas is called the son of perdition | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 170334 | ||
Hi Tim, I don't think you misread anything, here is the quote: "Judas then was the Devil incarnate, just as the Lord Jesus was God incarnate." I think this is rather clear, but, for the reasons you said, among others, is rather wrong. This would mean that Jesus sent the devil, Satan, out to heal, and cast out demons!? Luke 9 1 And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal. 3 And he said to them, "Take nothing for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not have two tunics. 4 And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them." 6 And they departed and went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere. Love in Christ, Mark |
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8 | Judas is called the son of perdition | Bible general Archive 3 | Morant61 | 170335 | ||
Greetings Mark! Good point! ;-) And, we know that Jesus also said, "...‘How can Satan drive out Satan?'" - Mark 3:23. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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