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1 | RAPTURE | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 165587 | ||
'ARE THERE TWO PAROUSIAS OF CHRIST?' 'Pretribulationism sees two separate parousias (comings) of Christ, one when He comes "for His Church" and the second, when He comes "with His Church," a grammatical position with not one verse of substantiation or explanation. One second coming of Christ (parousia) is referred to, never two, never spoken of in the plural, and never differentiated by any writer, including Christ. As important as the return of Christ is, if two separate parousias were the teachings of Christ and Paul, there would be no confusion in this matter. 'What's even worse, the proof text of Christ coming "with" the Church is a singular passage given in Revelation 19. At the great and final battle of Armageddon, "the armies which are heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him [Christ] on white horses" (v.14). Simply because they are wearing white linen clothing some assume Christ's army must be the "bride of Christ," even though the angels are seen wearing the exact same clothing (Rev. 15:6). Both Christ and Paul taught that it would be His angels that accompany Christ in battle during the day of the Lord (Mt. 16:27; 2 Th. 1:7-8). The idea that the new bride of Christ is to, immediately after the marriage ceremony described earlier in the chapter, follow her bridegroom into battle stretches one's imagination, especially in the light of the other clear teachings of Scripture. The prewrath view sees only one parousia of Christ, at a time that perfectly harmonizes every passage.' ____________________ http://solagroup.org/articles/endtimes/ et_0006.html |
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2 | RAPTURE | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 165593 | ||
Hi Kalos, There is no difficulty in undstanding any text related to this subject seeing the parousia and the epiphaneia of Christ separately, especially considering how "erchomai" is used as well. Oh, and these angels in Revelation that are dressed the same as those who follow Jesus, one even calls himself one of John's brethren, who also has the testimony of Jesus. How do you know that these are not men? "Angel" does not specifically mean a type of heavenly being, it means messenger. And men are messengers also. These things notwithstanding, just because we are called the "bride of Christ" does not mean that we will be limp-wristed girly men. We will be conformed the image of Christ. Think about what it means, for a moment, to be conformed to the image of Christ. We will be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might! :-) But that aside, it's not like He's going to let anyone else, angel, man, or little girl, do this fighting. He will slay His enemies with the brightness of His appearing, and with the sword that comes out of His mouth. Which brings to mind another thought. 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: If the antichrist, that lawless one, will be destroyed by the brightness of the Lords appearing, and the Lord's appearing is before the wrath is poured out, then how is it that the antichrist is still there after all the months of wrath? Love in Christ, Mark |
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