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1 | Sons of God | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 159780 | ||
Hi Noveta, I can see that you have already studied this, so let me simply offer a few points, of why I believe these "sons of God" are fallen angels. The term "sons of God" is used in a technical sense throughout the Bible, referring to those who are created by God, as opposed to being born from another: Adam (Luke 3), angels (fallen and not)(Gen, Job), and Christians (John 1 and others). Jesus specifically said "angels in heaven" neither marry nor are given in marraige. Why was this distinction needed? If the sons of God in Gen 6 were humans, why were their progeny different than normal? I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | What is progeny? | Bible general Archive 3 | Noveta | 159785 | ||
Can you please tell me what you mean by.... why were their progeny different than normal? I looked up the word progeny and it states descedants of a person. I also see that giants can be interpeted as large men, renown, and powerful? |
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3 | What is progeny? | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 159787 | ||
Hi Noveta, If the "sons of God" were the sons of Seth, and the "daughters of men" were the daughters of Cain, then why would their children be any different than any others? The indication is that these children shared common traits that set them apart from the other children. Those that promote the idea of the "sons of God" being human say they are from "the Godly line of Seth". But when did a believer marrying a non-believer cause their children to be born "giants", or whatever else the "nephilim" were? But meanwhile, the whole world, with the exception of Noah's family, was judged wicked, and was destroyed from the earth. Did this "Godly line" remain Godly through nine generations, only to become completely and entirely corrupt in the tenth generation? Is there any scriptural basis to support that? Love in Christ, mark |
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4 | What is progeny? | Bible general Archive 3 | David24597 | 159923 | ||
Hi Mark, I may be able to help here. Several years back I did many, many hours of research into this subject, cross referencing and double checking over and over again. Bare with me. This may be a pretty long post. Sorry about that. 1) You asked: "If the 'sons of God' were the sons of Seth, and the 'daughters of men' were the daughters of Cain, then why would their children be any different than any others?" and "But when did a believer marrying a non-believer cause their children to be born 'giants', or whatever else the 'nephilim' were?" First off, how do you know that everybody from Adam to Noah were not "giants". The text in Gen. 6 does not state that only those descended from the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" were giants. Examine Gen. 6:4 - "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown." The way this verse is worded seems to indicate giants already existed when the sons of God took wives from the daughters of men. The hebrew words "n@phiyl" and "n@phil" which refer to what is called "nephilim" simply translate as "giants". Another point here is that all these died in the great flood. Where is there any Biblical evidence that the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" again had children after the flood? You are aware of course of the "nephilim" that were living in the promised land when Moses led the children of Isreal there over 1,000 years after the flood? Num. 13:33 "the children of Anak". The descendents of Anak (the "Anakims") existed up to the time of King David. Here are some Biblical references to them: Deut. 1:28, 2:10-11 and 20-21, Deut. 3:11 and 9:2, Josh. 11:21-22, 12:4 and 13:12, 15:14, Judg. 1:20, II Sam. 21:16-22 and I Chron. 20:4-8. A close examination of these verses also show that Goliath was one of the descendants of the Anakims (i.e. Nephilim). To kinda sum this up giants existed before the sons of God married the daughters of men and they also existed after the great flood up to the time of King David. This would lead me to believe that the human race has actually degenerated since the flood with short statures as well as shorter life spans (Study the decreased life spans after the flood in Gen. 11:10-32). I know that the saved will need to take the time to "grow up" to the full height (Mal. 4:2). 2) You're other question - "But meanwhile, the whole world, with the exception of Noah's family, was judged wicked, and was destroyed from the earth. Did this 'Godly line' remain Godly through nine generations, only to become completely and entirely corrupt in the tenth generation? Is there any scriptural basis to support that?" Tracing a direct line of Adam's descendents down to Noah you will find that Noah and his 3 sons were the only direct decendents of Adam left alive on the earth when the flood came. Noah's father, Lamech, died 4, 5 or 6 years before the flood at the age of 777, almost 100 years younger than his father Methuselah who died at the age of 969, 1 or 2 years before the flood. which would coincide with Isa. 57:1 - "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth [it] to heart: and merciful men [are] taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil [to come]." All of Noah's ancesters were dead when the flood came with the exception of Enoch (Methuselah's father) who has never died but was translated, alive, from the earth at the age of 365 (Gen. 5:23-24 and Heb. 11:5). Noah himself was 600 years old when the flood came. |
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5 | What is progeny? | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 159933 | ||
Hi David, So Noah and his family, Adam, and everyone, were nephilim? That would be big! That would answer my question - Maybe they were ALL giants! One tiny point: if we are talking about the line of Seth and the line of Cain, we are possibly talking about billions of people on either side (no one really knows, of course, but extremely conservative estimates come up with sum really big numbers.) What do you think about the "sons of God" thing? Is there a Biblical reason to define "sons of God" in this passage as different from all other usages in the Bible, which all agree with each other? Is there anything that tells us that the "sons of God" in Gen. 6 refers to a particular group of people, to the exclusion of another group of people? That question breeds another: What about the "daughters of men"? Where in the text do we find that these daughters are the - whoops! - not the "daughters of men", but the daughters of SOME men" - just 'those' men? Do you think that there was any of the "daughters of God" marrying the "sons of men"? What of their children? But seriously, these "sons of Seth", if they were the "Godly line", would all have to either marry from the wrong side of the tracks, or die, and that "Godly line" disappear - entirely! And if they were the "Godly line", what are they doing marrying "those" girls, anyway? Just some thoughts - I know this one will be debated until kingdom come. :-) Love in Christ, mark |
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6 | What is progeny? | Bible general Archive 3 | David24597 | 159943 | ||
Mark, Aren't all of God's people given the power to become the "sons of God"? John 1:12, Rom. 8:14 and 19, Phil. 2:15 and I John 3:1-2. Those that followed God from Adam to Noah were the "sons of God" by contrast those that didnt follow God but followed their own hearts were "sons of man" their women would be "daughters of man". As for God's people taking wives from unbelievers, it has happened a lot in the Bible. The history of the Jews is full of it from the time of Moses to the days of Ezra and Nehemiah - Num. chapter 25, Neh. 13:23-30. By taken wives from the wicked the descendents of Adam (for the most part) adopted the lifestyles of the wicked. This led to the great wickedness God found in the earth resulting in the great flood. Such things have happened over and over again in the Bible. It even caused the division of the Jewish nation bacause Solomon had taken so many wives of the pagan nations and allowed them to cause him to worship idols. I forget the exact text for that but I know is there. |
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7 | What is progeny? | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 159954 | ||
Hi David, That's my point about the "sons of God" thing. That it is a technical term for those who were directly created by God, as opposes to those who were born of another, including Adam, Christians, and angels: each of these are called "sons of God", and that is what they have in common with each other. Anyway, there are a lot of people who believe as you do. Love in Christ, mark |
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8 | What is progeny? | Bible general Archive 3 | David24597 | 159960 | ||
One other thing you might want to consider Mark is that God created every living thing to only be able to mate with it's own species. The words "after his kind" and "after their kind" which occur frequently in Gen. 1 is from the Hebrew word "miyn" which means "kind, sometimes a species (usually of animals) Groups of living organisms belong in the same created 'kind' if they have descended from the same ancestral gene pool. This does not preclude new species because this represents a partitioning of the original gene pool. Information is lost or conserved not gained. A new species could arise when a population is isolated and inbreeding occurs. By this definition a new species is not a new 'kind' but a further partitioning of an existing 'kind'". It no more possible for an angel or demon to breed with a human than it is for a dog to breed with a cat. |
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9 | What is progeny? | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 159964 | ||
Hi David, What do you do with: Jud 1:6 And those angels not having kept their first place, but having deserted their dwelling-place, He has kept in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of a great Day; Jud 1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, committing fornication, and going away after other flesh, laid down an example before-times, undergoing vengeance of everlasting fire. which speaks of Sodom, and Gomorrah, who, like these angels, went after other flesh? Love in Christ, Mark |
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