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1 | I NEED A TRUE FRIEND THAT IS A CHRISTIAN | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 181367 | ||
Hello MWLaine, This post is an attempt to prevent the course of this thread from continuing in the negative tone that it seems to be going. I will try once again to address the issue that has raised some concern. You posted to Doc, "I am clueless as to what you mean "to teach that experiences can lead us to right conclusions about the work of God." I don't think I alluded to that at all in my encouragment of MommieSadie but you must think so." This is the original statement that you made that we have attempted to address. "If you have ever listened to a Sermon that caused the hairs on the back of your neck to raise then it is an indication that the Holy Spirit is bearing witness with your consience that the words you are hearing are true." What I have tried to say (along with others) is that no, this absolutely is not any indication that the words you are hearing are true. Only testing what we hear against the truth of Scripture can validate what you have heard is true. As I said before, I believe your intentions toward MOMMIESAIDIE were sincere. But what we teach doesn't stand on our good intentions. Please accept this as sincere, caring concern. God bless, Jeff |
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2 | I NEED A TRUE FRIEND THAT IS A CHRISTIAN | Bible general Archive 3 | MWLaine | 182079 | ||
Jeff, Sorry for being away so long I have been under duress remodeling the Master Bathroom. Ugh!!! Alright! I am hearing you when you say that truth is not foretold by some reaction we have to words spoken, or read. We have a reaction to words and ideas because they attach themselves to us via our God given gifts of empathy and imagination. Our minds can put us into the story of a Sermon so that we can get the flavor of the experiences of the stories being told in the bible. The way we respond to these stories is akin to having a heart to heart, open line, discussion with God. If an expositer, standing at the podium preaching the Sermon, is being true to his/her calling then the words being spoken are true and are intermingled with scripture from the bible. This makes the story come alive, so much so, that we might cry when we hear an expositor put more words on some simple truth like..."Pilate sent Jesus to be scourged". Matt 27:26 Then he released Barabbas for them; but after having Jesus scourged, he handed Him over to be crucified. 3 Mark 15:15 Wishing to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas for them, and after having Jesus scourged, he handed Him over to be crucified. 4 Luke 18:33 and after they have scourged Him, they will kill Him; and the third day He will rise again." 5 John 19:1 Pilate then took Jesus and scourged Him. How simple a word is scourged. It takes a story teller to bring to life the magnitude of the whipping that the Roman soldiers gave Jesus. In Mel Gibsons movie "The Passion of The Christ" we got a feel for that magnitude. Audiences worldwide got choked-up and wept when watching that scene. And to think that 5-minute scene, in the movie, came from a little word... scourge. So knowing that a Sermon is an exposition of scripture, and knowing that our minds, if fed by daily bible reading, have scripture in storage areas that can be recalled, do we not then believe that the Holy Spirit can remind and guide our thinking to create connections between historical fact, from the bible, and current situations we are undergoing? Many times when that connection is made in my mind I feel a tingling sensation which I describe as "the hair on the back of my neck raising", or God-pimples. I know the difference, but you are right in correcting me, in regards to alluding to the idea that all hair raising events are God moments. But, never forget that Jesus taught as one having authority, not like the scribes or Pharisees. In this I mean that he taught in the way of parables which are for the express purpose of engaging the audiences minds and emotion so that the truth of what was being said could more easily be discerned or digested. These parables are part of what so confused the Pharisees. They could not easily cross compare the words of Jesus to their Jewish Religious texts. This made them call Jesus a false teacher or Beelzebub himself. All because he did not stay within their narrow textual boundaries. Guess what? The regular Joe on the street understood Jesus and could disern from Jesus' life, his truths, his parables, and his miracles that he was the Christ. And he/she was generally "un-edjoomacated". Truth is I think we are nearly saying the same thing??? Only in a different way. I don't mind at all being corrected because there is always the authority of Gods Word to tell me that in consulation a wise man is glad to take. You have been heard. Yours in Christ, Mark W Laine |
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3 | I NEED A TRUE FRIEND THAT IS A CHRISTIAN | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 182123 | ||
Hello brother Mark, No problem with the delay, it was actually right on time. My participation on the forum has been very light in recent weeks as I too have been busy with personal stuff. I can certainly appreciate and agree with much of what you have said in this recent post. I also believe that we are closer to agreement the more we come to understand each other. As I believe I have said, some things that might be appropriately said and further explained and explored face to face are not as convenient in the forum setting. Things such as "this is an indication of..." just hang out there on the screen and where there is not scripture supporting the statement it begs to be addressed and clarified. I believe that it is often that the author being called to account didn't mean, or even intend to imply the point that is being debunked. Still, for the sake of integrity, clarification should be required. As forum members, we have agreed to uphold that. As Christians, we have a responsibility to the same. Some quick points regarding your recent statements. You wrote: "If an expositer, standing at the podium preaching the Sermon, is being true to his/her calling then the words being spoken are true and are intermingled with scripture from the bible. " I see your point but still emphasis; the only "words being spoken" by the preacher that can be qualified as teaching the truth are those that are consistent with the truth of Scripture. I take from your statement that you believe that. The important thing is though, that we have absolutely no way of knowing for sure that, as you put it, the expositor "standing at the podium preaching the Sermon, is being true to his/her calling..." And yes brother, Mel Gibson's The Passion of The Christ was a very touching and emotional. I've seen it through three times and been teared up each time. While appreciating it for what it was/is, I still have to be careful not to base my doctrine on it and recognize the liberties the movie takes in presenting the gospel. This was especially important in the discussions I have had with my family about the film. So our task continues to be the study of God's word and to teach the truth found therein. God bless, Jeff |
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