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1 | Will suicide condem my soul to hell? | Bible general Archive 2 | John Reformed | 101691 | ||
Dear George, Is 53:10 But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the GOOD PLEASURE of the LORD will prosper in His hand. Phil 2:13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His GOOD PLEASURE. If I seem "wishy washy" it is my reluctance to go beyond Scripture. I also find it impossible to believe that man is the author and the finisher of his own faith. The Bible says Jesus is responsible for our faith (Heb 12:2). I realize that if one presumes that man is ultimately the one who decides his own fate, then, rejecting Christ and salvation makes sense. The problem I have is that it conflicts with too many passages that speak of God's soveriegnty. I don't see the idea that man can successfully resist God's will as glorifying to God. If God cannot keep His New Creatures from rebelling, He then appears weak and subject to defeat. I find this view obnoxious and man glorifying! How can a lump of clay do anything apart from the will of the Potter? Take another look ay Rom 9 and John 6 just for starters. John |
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2 | Will suicide condem my soul to hell? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 101705 | ||
John As you know I never do learn. :-) And at the risk of getting involved in another one of these struggles let me say your reading of Romans 9 is a little different than mine. :-) In Romans 9 the potter and clay is demonstration of God's ability to use created man to accomplish his will. It is not a lesson in Salvation. I have always read it more as explanation of why some are born handicapped (Exodus 4:11 before anyone jumps on me), talented, rich, poor, smart or slow. Why some people seem to be disposed to accomplish things and others willing to ride the waves. God harden Pharaoh’s heart this we know but do we know Pharaoh’s eternal condition? No. We see Essau and Jacob where God said he hated (hated here means he knew Essau would think so little of his inheritance) Essau, yet none of us knows Essau’s eternal condition. In this passage God is saying he choose the children of Abraham to bless, which He did by allowing them to be in the lineage of Jesus but once again are all Abraham’s children saved? No Are all Abraham’s children lost ? No once again this passage is not talking about Salvation but rather how God uses all of creation to accomplish His purpose. Also in the example is the clay pot a inanimate object, however in us God created emotions and responses such as rebellion, rejection, hatred, love, acceptance and repentance. But most of all faith and the ability to pray. Both faith and prayer effects the outcome of many things. To the question does suicide condemn the soul to hell. The answer should be no true believer in Christ would commit suicide. To commit suicide you have to be hopeless, yet a true believer has hope, to commit suicide you have to be alone and afraid yet a true believer is neither. To commit suicide you have to be willing to destroy the temple of the Holy Spirit and once again a true believe would never do that. The question should not be can you commit suicide and still go to heaven. The question is and should be can a true Christian commit suicide. EdB |
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3 | Will suicide condem my soul to hell? | Bible general Archive 2 | John Reformed | 101727 | ||
"In Romans 9 the potter and clay is demonstration of God's ability to use created man to accomplish his will."...I agree "for who resists His will (v19). "It is not a lesson in Salvation."...It is a lesson in God's sovereignty in all things pertaining to His creatures " I have always read it more as explanation of why some are born handicapped... talented, rich, poor, smart or slow. Why some people seem to be disposed to accomplish things and others willing to ride the waves."...If your interpretation is correct, and Chapt 9 is about God's providence, who are the vessels of honor and who are the vessels of wrath? "God harden Pharaoh’s heart this we know but do we know Pharaoh’s eternal condition? No."... I think the Bible gives us the answer in Ezek 32:32 "Though I instilled a terror of him in the land of the living, yet he will be made to lie down among the uncircumcised along with those slain by the sword, even Pharaoh and all his hordes," declares the Lord GOD. " We see Essau and Jacob where God said he hated (hated here means he knew Essau would think so little of his inheritance) Essau, yet none of us knows Essau’s eternal condition." ....Heb 12:15,16 See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled; that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. "In this passage God is saying he choose the children of Abraham to bless, which He did by allowing them to be in the lineage of Jesus"....Rom 9:8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants." Paul is telling us that the promise has not failed those to whom the promise was intended (i.e.. the children of the promise who are not saved because they were born to a particular father, but rather, so that God's purpose in election might stand.) Rom 9:13 Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED." "but once again are all Abraham’s children saved? No Are all Abraham’s children lost ? No once again this passage is not talking about Salvation but rather how God uses all of creation to accomplish His purpose."....Frankly, I am at a loss as to how to respond to this particular statement. "Also in the example is the clay pot a inanimate object, however in us God created emotions and responses such as rebellion, rejection, hatred, love, acceptance and repentance. But most of all faith and the ability to pray. Both faith and prayer effects the outcome of many things." ...Paul seemed to find pottery an appropriate example. Afterall, we are formed from the dust of the earth . The fact that God breathed life into us and created us in His image proves to me His greatness as a Potter. I can't understand how you could say that these pots are not representative of mankind! (The elect and the reprobate). Thanks, John |
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4 | Will suicide condem my soul to hell? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 101742 | ||
John You have totally missed the point I was making and I'm sorry I even posted it. Your reference to Ezek 32:32 as to the outcome of Pharaoh doesn't float it is two different points in time. I did overlook Essau's situation in Hebrews, sorry :-0 I also never said the clay didn't represent mankind I said it wasn't representative of Mankind in relation to God and salvation. However if you don't like that fine, like I said I understand differently than you and neither of us will ever convince the other to see it our way. Let us drop it. EdB |
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