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1 | Inability? | Bible general Archive 2 | JibbyJee | 93520 | ||
Dear Hank The belief and teaching that Christ can lose a Christian, (eternal insecurity) is heresy. Therefore, those who refuse to acknowledge and repent of their error in light of correction from the Word of God and continue to propogate the lie are, by definition, a heretic. I agree that the title has little meaning anymore when the heretics can call the real Christians heretics without impunity while the real Christians get chastened for using the term in it's most applicable situations. I will say this; New Creature, you are preaching HERESY. If there's any doctrine that is heretical it is the doctrine of eternal insecurity. I will not apologize for accurately defining what your beliefs are nor the use of the label that comes with those beliefs. It's not personal; I'm in no way saying I'm a better person than you. I'm sure you're a nice person doing the best you can with what you understand. My only beef is that you preach heresy and I will call a spade a spade, ESPECIALLY if it helps to make you understand the dire straits you're in and cause you to repent from your error. So, I apologize if the term seems "extreme", but sometimes, the truth hurts. There's nothing slanderous about revealing the truth to the accused. I pray you will flee from this erroneous doctrine, NC. In Christ, JIBBS |
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2 | Inability? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 93537 | ||
JibbyJee: It's easy enough to see where you're coming from and why you think that anyone who disagrees with Calvinism is a heretic. The lawyer-turned-theologian who developed the system of soteriology that bears his name had his own way of dealing with those who disagreed with his views. They were branded "heretics" and exiled or something worse. John Calvin, the autocrat, often mistook his own will for the will of God. Many Calvinists have remained true to the example he set and call heresy any doctrine that does not line up with 5-Point Calvinism. Is your vision so blurred and your perception so warped that you cannot conceive of non-Calvinists, such as New Creature and myself, along with the majority of users of this forum, as being anything but heretics? Why don't you conserve the energy you use trying to convert non-Calvinist Christians (yes, there is such a thing as that) to your brand of Calvinism and use it to preach to sinners who don't know Christ? Or would that be a foolish undertaking since they may not be of the elect anyway? Too bad God didn't think to put a mark on the elect so you Calvinists would know who to preach to. When Calvinists or any other group get to the point where they think theirs in the only game in town, it's a sad day for Christianity. I've had my say and am finished. Since you came as close to an apology as it appears you are capable of, I will stay away from the abuse button for the time being, but if you continue on with your know-it-all attitude and your name calling on this forum, be assured that there are a number of regular users of this forum who will not tolerate it and will not hesitate to take remedial action. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Inability? | Bible general Archive 2 | JibbyJee | 93577 | ||
Hank Please show me where I ever said disagreeing with Calvinism is heresy. I don't believe that, so if I said it, I want to retract it and apologize. This thread is specifically talking about ETERNAL INSECURITY. Which, in case you don't know, is a false doctrine. A false doctrine which leads many astray because of the inevitable "WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS" that comes from it. Do you believe these are Biblical Hank? If so, then I truly pity you. If not, then I pity you all the more for defending HERESY like a hypocrite. Turn me in if you want, I don't care either way. If shedding light on falsehood is a sin then I'm guilty as charged. PS. You should know, being how your so experienced with Reformed theology and all, that preaching to everyone brings God glory, whether through His mercy and grace in salvation, or in the furious wrath of his perfect Judgment. God is glorified by the sinner in Hell and the saint in Heaven. All I have to worry about is preaching the good news of the Cross to all men, and it's a privilege to do so. I am certain that God saves, you on the other hand have no room for such speculation in your theological suppositions, primarily due to your exaltation of "free will" of mankind. By the way, if "free will" is true, then God help us all, because we are all hopeless. Sincerely, JIBBS |
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