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1 | are you required to be baptisted again | Bible general Archive 2 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 93187 | ||
Emmaus Eph 4;5 is speaking of the unity of the body of Christ and not of the subject of water babtism.You hafe to add vs.2-6 to get the full meaning. Look at rev.2;4-5. | ||||||
2 | are you required to be baptisted again | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 93194 | ||
Diaryleader, I did not know there was a difference. According to Romans 6 the one baptism is how we become a member of the one body of Christ. That is why Paul is consistent in placing them together in Ephesians 4 also. I am always amazed at talk of "water baptism" as if it is somehow different from "spirit baptism"? The are one and the same. We are "born of water and the spirit" according to Jesus in John 3:5. Parse His words if you like, but I think I will pass on that. You may as well says we are saved by the Spirit of Christ but not by His body on the cross and His bodily resurrection. As for Rev 2:4-6 you will have to be more direct. I do not get the point you are trying to make there. Emmaus |
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3 | are you required to be baptisted again | Bible general Archive 2 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 93258 | ||
Naaman would not have been healed if he hadnt obeyed,even if he had repented. It was Gods commandment or shall we say requirement for his healing. In 2nd kings were talking law and not grace., looking at pride, stubbornness,mans wrath, submission and obedience..Math 9;29 speaks of healing as a matter of faith and healing before salvation. Look at John cpt 5;4-7 the people at the pool were still under law as Naaman. Now sence these people were healed before salvation would they not hafe to be rebabtised under the name of Jesus after they repented?In Rev 2;5, these were christians who had left their first love, which is God. So what are the 1st works of a Christian, my thoughts 1. Believe, 2. Repent and 3. Be Babtised. What do you think they are?Babtism has to have 1. availibity, 2. oppertunity. The babtism of John the Babtist was not of salvation but only repentance, so then would not the people who had been babtised by John hafe to be rebabtised after they believed in Jesus? My thought Yes. Your thought? The Bible says that there are three Babtisms ,1.Water, 2. Holy Ghost, 3. Fire. If it were not so it would not be in there. Babtism is no where to be found in old testiment.Math 3;11. Some Christians rededicate themselves by being rebabtise as an open show of humbelness, I do. These are just some thoughts.We are going in the same direction brother with just a few different interpretations, thats ok I still love all of Gods Children. | ||||||
4 | are you required to be baptisted again | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 93265 | ||
Diaryleader, So the Old Testament saints were saved not by grace through faith but by the Law? Then what did we need Jesus for? We could have just been saved under the Law by being baptised into Moses (1 Cor 10:1-4). Baptism is not a work of the person being baptised but rather a work of Christ in and through His body, the Church. God can work outside His normative means (baptism)but baptism is the norm according to scripture. He tells the Church to preach, teach and baptize in the great commission. So it is Christ through the body of Christ that works in baptism not the person being baptized. There were other foreshadowings of baptism in the Old Testament as the New Testament makes clear in 1 Cor 10:1-4, 1 Peter 3:20. Just as the water used by God in the time of Noah and Moses washed away sin and God's enemies and saved His chosen poeple so God through the waters of baptism destroys / washes away sin and saves His people when we are baptised into the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is not an either or option: either water or the Spirit, but rather a both and situation of water and the Spirit. A few OT examples of water and the Spirit together: Genesis 1:2 Genesis 7 and 8 Exodus 14 Joshua 3 and 4 2 Kings 5 Water and fire are often associated in scripture with the holy Spirit because they both have the power to purify or destroy. They cane destroy as if by flood or uncontrolled fire or save as if by drinks of cleaning or warming and buring away of dross or contagion. My primary point (with which you may not agree)is that the separation of water and the Spirit when looking at baptism is artificaial and not in line with Scripture. I agree with you on John's baptism. Emmaus |
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5 | are you required to be baptisted again | Bible general Archive 2 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 93271 | ||
If you read the law and what the Bible says about it, The sins of Isreal were not forgiven but only covered over for another year. We needed Jesus for one simple fact, we were not Jews. The law was for the House of Isreal and not the Gentiles, have not you read that the Gentiles worshed devils?And as far as the old testiment saints, thats why Jesus went to sheol after the crusification, to set the captives, which were pregrace people in other words those who died under the law had to be preached to and believe in Jesus to go to heavan. Scripture.I have no argument with you, babtism is a commandment. | ||||||