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1 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Heyyoo79 | 142361 | ||
Do baptist believe that suicide is an unforgivable sin, even if you are saved? | ||||||
2 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 142362 | ||
The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit denying the saving power of the Blood of Jesus as the Holy Spirit calls you unto salvation. Now let me ask a question is do you really think a saved person can commit suicide? Where are they placing the trust, their hope, and their future? Surely not in the Son of Man. Therefore the question moot. EdB |
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3 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 142539 | ||
Yes, I think saved persons can commit and have committed suicide. If believers have murdered others (think King David) then why is not conceivable that some may murder themselves? Is suicide a sin? Do Christians sin? Then some Christians have committed this sin also. Does this sin nullify the grace of God? I think not! | ||||||
4 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 142540 | ||
If I viewed suicide from purely a sin aspect I would agree with you. However I view it more as a state of mind that I believe is impossible for a real believer to lapse into. I can not believe that a person that is truly dependent on Christ can view their life so hopeless that death is preferable to life. I will put a caveat here and say I can see a Christian that is enduring extreme suffering that will eventually lead to death hastening their own demise (read extreme torture). But again while that is classified as suicide I wonder if it really is. EdB |
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5 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 142545 | ||
If he kills himself it is, Ed. Unless you want to change the definition. We must go by the Word, and let God be the judge of who belongs to Him. But I see no Scriptural basis for saying that this sin is impossible for a true believer to commit. Like I said, if true believers have murdered others (think King David), why is it inconceivable that they might murder themselves? Concerning states of mind, mightn't a bout of depression cloud our judgement so to commit this sin, which at other times we would not even consider? What makes this sin so impossible? Of course suicide makes no sense for a Christian, but does committing even the least sin ever make sense? Even as devout believers we don't always have our heads on straight! Again, look at King David! I'm not near the spiritual giant he was, yet talk about bloopers! He takes the cake! Yet God's mercy is abundant! |
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6 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 142549 | ||
Once I again I see David's sin far different than the possibility of a true Christian that trusts in Christ having the mindset that life is so hopeless only death is the answer. EdB |
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7 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 142854 | ||
How is it far different when King David's solution to his problem was murder, and suicide is self murder? In both cases murder was used as a solution. And again the depressed person may not be thinking clearly as is too often the case even when we're not depressed! | ||||||
8 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 142864 | ||
Lionstrong I'm not denying suicide is sin. David's sin was sin of lust, he wanted a woman that was not his, he later wanted to protect his reputation. His motivate was fulfilling the lust of the eye, and flesh. In suicide we see the a person that feels life is so hopeless there is no hope, there isn’t an answer ( "no" solution ). The only answer is death. In David's case I see a moral man with a love for God giving into fleshly lusts and falling into sin. In suicide I don't see person trusting in God, I see a person that may know God, may love God, may even try to serve God but they aren't trusting in Christ. In John 3:16 it says we if we “believe” we will have eternal life. The word "believe" that we use to translate the Greek word "pisteuo" does not do justice to the thought. To "pisteuo" believe in Christ means you become dependant upon Him for your existence, not that you just believe He existed. Now if we must be dependent upon Jesus to secure salvation how can we then become so hopeless to commit suicide. It is contradiction of terms. If you trust and depend in Jesus for existence it's impossible to accept a state of hopelessness ( no solution). In effect that person would be denying the power of the Blood of Christ and blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Think of it this way if I’m trusting in Christ for everything wouldn’t it be impossible to reach a point that says there is nothing that can solve my problem therefore death is my only solution. If I’m really at that point then I think we can say that person does not ‘Pisteuo’ believe, therefore they are not in fact saved since John 3:16 says we must believe to be saved. EdB |
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9 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 142871 | ||
Ed, one cannot help but wonder just how much "Pisteuo" David had as he lay with another man's wife and subsequently engineered to have her husband slain. How much "Pisteuo" was with Peter as thrice he denied Jesus? Does Scripture give evidence that David and Peter were unfaithful because they were unsaved -- or does it teach something else? Ed, I cannot accept as scriptural the idea that a believer's lapse into a state of hopelessness (depression?) constitutes a denial of the power of Christ and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The regenerate believer is human and therefore subject to human weakness and human sickness. He is responsible for his sin. But he is not immune to human weaknesses including sin. And he is by no means always responsible for things like feelings of hopelessness (clinical depression) that can and sometimes do result in harm to oneself, even suicide. Generalizations are often wrong, including this one, but I think that one cannot make a blanket statement of fact that suicide is proof positive that the person who commits the act is unsaved. --Hank | ||||||
10 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 142872 | ||
Hank I was writting this as a general comment but since you addressed your post to me let post it as a response to you. The debate of whether suicide is unforgivable or not is pointless, since none of us know God's mind on this subject. To argue that a suicide can be forgiven proves nothing but perhaps opens a door that someone may tragically enter. To argue that it can’t be forgiven places unnecessary heartache on loved ones left behind. I say to what end? If you and others believe a person that commits suicide can be forgiven okay, but should it be discussed on an open forum possibly read by someone that may at this very moment be considering such an act? For me and others that don’t believe a saved person will commit suicide that also is okay but should we be presenting our views on an open forum where it may cause others even more heartbreak in dealing with the suicide of a loved one? I see the discussion as serving no purpose and its only fruit is more hurt. I repent for having ever commented on the subject and in the further will respond to any such question much the way we respond to the question who did Cain marry. Personally I would like to see Lockman add the subject of suicide to the list of no no discussions. From my heart!!!!! I'm sorry and meant no one any pain. EdB |
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11 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 142882 | ||
2 Sam 17:23 Now when Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his donkey and arose and went to his home, to his city, and set his house in order, and strangled himself; thus he died and was buried in the grave of his father. 1 Sam 31:4 Then Saul said to his armor bearer, "Draw your sword and pierce me through with it, otherwise these uncircumcised will come and pierce me through and make sport of me." But his armor bearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. So Saul took his sword and fell on it. 1 Sam 31:5 When his armor bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died with him. Matt 27:5 And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself. Rom 15:4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. "I see the discussion as serving no purpose and its only fruit is more hurt. I repent for having ever commented on the subject and in the further will respond to any such question much the way we respond to the question who did Cain marry. Personally I would like to see Lockman add the subject of suicide to the list of no no discussions." Ed, I would urge you not to pursue such a course to put suicide on the black list. Many people face suicide and may want to know if there's hope. This is a Study Bible forum and God's word not only deals frankly with the subjects of suicide and hopelessness, but gives a wonderful answer to both in the salvation found only in Christ our hope. |
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12 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 142885 | ||
Hope for what? Hope that their loved one that committed suicide may be heaven. We can't answer that since only God knows his judgement of such an act. Only God knows that state of any man. Only God can see the heart. If we say yes we open three possibilities; it may be true but since no one knows the real state of the person, it really serves no purpose. Two it may be untrue then we can be accused of false teaching. Three and to me the most important it could be opening a door to someone considering such an act. If we say no we open two possibilities. One causing a loved one that has lost someone to suicide more pain. Two if it is not true then again we could be accused of false teaching. As I said in my post to Hank since we don’t know God position on suicide and since we can’t judge the state of another and since the only fruit in such discussion is negative I see no reason to discuss it. Now if you can tell me for certain that a person that has claimed to be saved and committed suicide is in fact with the Lord I think anything said is idle speculation. You referenced some scripture on people that committed suicide can you or anyone else tell me with any “certainty” where any of these men are going to spend eternity? We can’t since we don’t know “all” the facts, we don’t know what happened in the last millisecond of their life, we don’t know for sure God view of suicide, we just don’t know. So again I ask hope for what? The only hope we can offer is we just don’t know but we do know God is just and that God desires that none should perish. EdB |
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