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1 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 142871 | ||
Ed, one cannot help but wonder just how much "Pisteuo" David had as he lay with another man's wife and subsequently engineered to have her husband slain. How much "Pisteuo" was with Peter as thrice he denied Jesus? Does Scripture give evidence that David and Peter were unfaithful because they were unsaved -- or does it teach something else? Ed, I cannot accept as scriptural the idea that a believer's lapse into a state of hopelessness (depression?) constitutes a denial of the power of Christ and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The regenerate believer is human and therefore subject to human weakness and human sickness. He is responsible for his sin. But he is not immune to human weaknesses including sin. And he is by no means always responsible for things like feelings of hopelessness (clinical depression) that can and sometimes do result in harm to oneself, even suicide. Generalizations are often wrong, including this one, but I think that one cannot make a blanket statement of fact that suicide is proof positive that the person who commits the act is unsaved. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 142872 | ||
Hank I was writting this as a general comment but since you addressed your post to me let post it as a response to you. The debate of whether suicide is unforgivable or not is pointless, since none of us know God's mind on this subject. To argue that a suicide can be forgiven proves nothing but perhaps opens a door that someone may tragically enter. To argue that it can’t be forgiven places unnecessary heartache on loved ones left behind. I say to what end? If you and others believe a person that commits suicide can be forgiven okay, but should it be discussed on an open forum possibly read by someone that may at this very moment be considering such an act? For me and others that don’t believe a saved person will commit suicide that also is okay but should we be presenting our views on an open forum where it may cause others even more heartbreak in dealing with the suicide of a loved one? I see the discussion as serving no purpose and its only fruit is more hurt. I repent for having ever commented on the subject and in the further will respond to any such question much the way we respond to the question who did Cain marry. Personally I would like to see Lockman add the subject of suicide to the list of no no discussions. From my heart!!!!! I'm sorry and meant no one any pain. EdB |
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3 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 142882 | ||
2 Sam 17:23 Now when Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his donkey and arose and went to his home, to his city, and set his house in order, and strangled himself; thus he died and was buried in the grave of his father. 1 Sam 31:4 Then Saul said to his armor bearer, "Draw your sword and pierce me through with it, otherwise these uncircumcised will come and pierce me through and make sport of me." But his armor bearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. So Saul took his sword and fell on it. 1 Sam 31:5 When his armor bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died with him. Matt 27:5 And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself. Rom 15:4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. "I see the discussion as serving no purpose and its only fruit is more hurt. I repent for having ever commented on the subject and in the further will respond to any such question much the way we respond to the question who did Cain marry. Personally I would like to see Lockman add the subject of suicide to the list of no no discussions." Ed, I would urge you not to pursue such a course to put suicide on the black list. Many people face suicide and may want to know if there's hope. This is a Study Bible forum and God's word not only deals frankly with the subjects of suicide and hopelessness, but gives a wonderful answer to both in the salvation found only in Christ our hope. |
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4 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 142885 | ||
Hope for what? Hope that their loved one that committed suicide may be heaven. We can't answer that since only God knows his judgement of such an act. Only God knows that state of any man. Only God can see the heart. If we say yes we open three possibilities; it may be true but since no one knows the real state of the person, it really serves no purpose. Two it may be untrue then we can be accused of false teaching. Three and to me the most important it could be opening a door to someone considering such an act. If we say no we open two possibilities. One causing a loved one that has lost someone to suicide more pain. Two if it is not true then again we could be accused of false teaching. As I said in my post to Hank since we don’t know God position on suicide and since we can’t judge the state of another and since the only fruit in such discussion is negative I see no reason to discuss it. Now if you can tell me for certain that a person that has claimed to be saved and committed suicide is in fact with the Lord I think anything said is idle speculation. You referenced some scripture on people that committed suicide can you or anyone else tell me with any “certainty” where any of these men are going to spend eternity? We can’t since we don’t know “all” the facts, we don’t know what happened in the last millisecond of their life, we don’t know for sure God view of suicide, we just don’t know. So again I ask hope for what? The only hope we can offer is we just don’t know but we do know God is just and that God desires that none should perish. EdB |
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