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1 | Why ask Why? Why ask Where? | Bible general Archive 2 | kalos | 126211 | ||
Two different ways of being saved? [Theo-Minor: I am reposting a Note that I had posted earlier. Here I disucss the false idea some have that "we are no longer saved by keeping the law." I do not mean that this is what you think. I merely bring it up because whenever the subject of not being under the Law comes up, this is what many are thinking. Again, you have not said any such thing. So this is no criticism of you. It is merely a point I believe is worthy of consideration in the discussion of the Law. Grace to you, kalos] The law was not given as a way to be saved in the first place. So why do people [but not you, Theo] keep arguing that since in the NT era we are not saved by keeping the law, it must then be invalid or abolished? This argument is meaningless. I am not aware that I have ever said we are saved by keeping the law. No one was ever saved by keeping the law. "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness." (See Rom 4:3; Gal 3:6; James 2:23.) The just shall live by faith Habakkuk 2:4 (KJV) Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. No man is justified by the law Galatians 3:11 (KJV) But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Galations 3:11 (New Living Translation) Consequently, it is clear that no one can ever be right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous person has life." Two different ways of being saved? Not according to the Bible. Since the law was never given as a way to be saved, why do people keep arguing that in the NT era we are not saved by keeping the law? No one was ever saved by keeping the law. Not in the OT. Not in the NT. Not today. And not in the future. |
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2 | Why ask Why? Why ask Where? | Bible general Archive 2 | Theo-Minor | 126212 | ||
kalos, Right. You have to keep the law, as you say, just in the spiritual sense. But being "not under the law" does not mean do whatever you want to do. That would be open license to sin, and that's precisely the point it seems you are addressing. I agree with you. To say we are no longer under the law is not to say that we need not keep the law. Being under grace instead of under the law, walking by the spirit instead of by the letter, is a matter of method and perception. Keeping it by the letter means paying attention to every little commandment, tradition, ritual, etc., and you will inevitably fail. Keeping it by the spirit is easy, because knowing that love is the foundation of all the commandments, traditions, rituals, etc., we are able, by the spirit within us (thus the laws written on our hearts and minds), to walk according to righteousness in all the fullness of the law as originally intended. In knowing the right; in being a slave to righteousness, we can reject evil before it becomes the stumbling block the written law surely becomes. And it is all done through unfeigned love of the brethren ... for this is the word that, by the gospel, was preached to us. I think we're close to being on the same page. :oP Theo-Minor |
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3 | Why ask Why? Why ask Where? | Bible general Archive 2 | kalos | 126219 | ||
Theo-Minor: I agree with you and am happy to see that we are indeed close to being on the same page. We keep the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments not as a way of BEING saved (redeemed), but because we ARE saved (redeemed). Kenneth Wuest, in his "Word Studies in the Greek New Testament", wrote: The law says, Do this and you will live. Grace says, You live, so do this. (See Luke 10:28 and Lev. 18:5). Grace to you, kalos |
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4 | Why ask Why? Why ask Where? | Bible general Archive 2 | Theo-Minor | 126221 | ||
"The law says, Do this and you will live. Grace says, You live, so do this." That statement rules. Theo-Minor |
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5 | Why ask Why? Why ask Where? | Bible general Archive 2 | IBLONG2GOD | 126228 | ||
The law says, "Do this and you will be blessed" Deuteronomy 27:1, 28:1-13. We are not saved by keeping the law - that is legalism. Unless our righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees we will in no way enter heaven..Matthew 5:20. The Pharisees are well known for keeping the "letter" of the law, but not the "spirit" of the law. The letter killeth, but the spirit maketh alive..2 Corinthians 3:6. | ||||||
6 | Why ask Why? Why ask Where? | Bible general Archive 2 | Theo-Minor | 126244 | ||
IBLONG2GOD ... Are you trying to criticize the quote I just quoted? This thread was not about keeping the letter of the law, but an expansion upon keeping the spirit of it. Please read the whole thread beginning with the post by docTrinesograce. The quote I quoted happens to be very good. This discussion was more or less started because kalos was making sure I knew what I was talking about and not just spouting drivel that I don't understand. Do you know what you're saying and why? Do you know what it means to keep the spirit of the law versus keeping the letter of it? Or are you just repeating what you've read without thoroughly comprehending it? (no criticism intended. It's a genuine and sincere question). Theo-Minor |
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7 | Why ask Why? Why ask Where? | Bible general Archive 2 | IBLONG2GOD | 126261 | ||
Theo-Minor, It was not my intention to be critical in the negative sense of the word. I apologize if I offended you. I'm truly sorry. I'm new to this forum and don't know the ins and outs, yet. If I had read the entire thread, I'm sure I would have gathered what this post was about. Please understand that it was done out of ignorance and I will try to be more thorough in reading the entire thread before I respond. My only intention was to correct what I believed to be wrong. I hope you understand. I do have some insight to the spirit of the law, but I'm open and humble enough to know that I don't have absolute knowledge of it. I'm willing to hear what you have to say about it, if you desire to explain your understanding of it. |
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8 | Why ask Why? Why ask Where? | Bible general Archive 2 | Theo-Minor | 126262 | ||
IBLONG2GOD ... I wasn't the least bit offended brother/sister. I think I did the same thing days ago (I've only been on here a few days myself). You just have to be careful to read the full train of thought so you know what's been said, and why it has reached its current point. It's not impossible or uncommon for your (or my) point to have already been made and reasonably disputed by someone else in a sound and competent manner. Correcting what you believe to be wrong is absolutely a good thing. Iron sharpens iron. If we don't correct each other, using the tid-bits of knowledge and understanding God has given each of us in turn, we would never grow. There are things people show me all the time that I either didn't see, or didn't think about. To: do you know what it means to walk by the spirit of the law versus the letter ... I'm asking a sincere question. Do you know the difference? You say, "I do have some insight," but also say, "I don't have absolute knowledge of it." Thus the question reiterated. At the bottom of the screen where you answer to a post, you'll see a highlighted line in a tree of posts. The highlighted post is the one you're looking at/answering to. Follow the line up to the post in this line of posts beginning with DocTrinsograce. Follow them systematically and you'll see the whole discussion. I did three full-page posts on the subject of the spirit of the law, and what it means to say that we are not under the law. Keep sharpening! Theo-Minor |
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