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1 | people comminting susiced | Bible general Archive 2 | churchladies101 | 117227 | ||
My friend and I were talking about people that have been saved and are true christians but something go wrong and they can go on and comminted suscied will they go to heaven and is there anywhere in the bible that tell us about this. | ||||||
2 | people comminting susiced | Bible general Archive 2 | Sir Pent | 117275 | ||
My answer............................................................ Hello Churchladies 101, The only Christians that I know who believe that suicide is possible for a faithful Christian are people who have someone close to them who committed suicide (ie. father). I think that their belief is based more on their heart hoping that the person will be in heaven than on their mind's understanding of scripture. Scripture definately tells us not to murder, and killing yourself is murder and therefore sin. It is also a denial of God's goodness and control. When a person commits suicide, they are showing that they do not believe that God has a good plan for the rest of their natural life, or that he can't help them with whatever circumstances they are in. This kind of denial of God's very nature of love and omnipotence means that they are not a Christian at the point of death and are therefore not saved. The only exception to this idea would be people who are not mentally aware enough to even think through things (ie. senility or mental retardation). |
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3 | can you give some scriptures? | Bible general Archive 2 | jtknez | 119553 | ||
But what are the exact scriptures that lead you to this conclusion? | ||||||
4 | can you give some scriptures? | Bible general Archive 2 | Sir Pent | 119557 | ||
Scriptural support........................................... Hello Tara, There were a lot of ideas in my post on this subject, but I'll try to give some referrences for most of it. I stated that murder is a suicide is murder and therefore a sin. That comes from the 10 commandments and can be found in Exodus 20:13. I stated that when a person comits suicide, they are deciding that there is no way out of their current circumstance or that the rest of their life is not worth going through whatever circumstance that they are in. That goes against God's promise that He will not allow us to go through more than we can overcome with His help. This promise is found in 1 Corinthians 10:13. That attitude also denies either that God is all powerful and can help us, contradicting the scripture that everyone knows God is all powerful (Romans 1:20), or that God is loving and has a good plan for our life. That contradicts the scripture found in Jeremiah 29:11. Taking all these things into account, it becomes clear that a person comitting suicide is clearly choosing to stop acknowledging God for who he is (Romans 1:28). In fact, it lists murderers as doing this in Romans 1:29. The scripture says that people who do this are worthy of death (Romans 1:32). A person who ends their life denying God cannot be saved, because there is no other way to be saved. The scripture that supports this is Acts 4:12. Finally, I ended my post by giving the exception that it is possible for a person who is mentally unstable at the time of death to comit suicide without actually thinking through the process and deciding to deny God. In that case, that person has been given less and less is expected. The idea that those of us who are given more being expected of more by God comes from Luke 12:48. I hope that these verses give some context for the beliefs that I have stated, and most of all, I hope that God can work in the situation that you are in to bring about good. After all even things that appear to be bad can be part of God's plan for good. See Genesis 50:20 for an example. In addition, we know that God works all things for good for those who love the Lord and are called according to His purpose. (Romans 8:28) |
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5 | can you give some scriptures? | Bible general Archive 2 | BradK | 119560 | ||
Sir Pent, I would weigh-in with Tim on this issue. I do not believe anywhere in scripture are we told that suicide is "an unforgivable sin". Christ either died for ALL sins or He didn't (Col. 2:13). Just as a note: When you say that "A person who ends their life denying God cannot be saved", how do we know that they are denying God? The references in Romans do not seem to me to be making a case against suicide as much as they are, in generel dealing with unbelief and it's consequences. Those are my thoughts on this matter. I remain: Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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6 | can you give some scriptures? | Bible general Archive 2 | Sir Pent | 119796 | ||
Defense of my position......................................... Hi BradK, I appreciate both your and Tim Moran's opposing viewpoint, and actually agree with you that suicide is not an unforgivable sin. I believe that if a person somehow survives suicide, they can indeed repent to God and be forgiven for it. However, if the person does not survive, then they cannot be saved. This is not because their sin is so terrible, but simply because a person cannot be saved who is in denial of God at the time that they die. I think that you and I would both agree that if a person dies in a state of denial of God's essential character then they cannot be saved. Therefore, the disagreement is simply over whether we believe that the person committing suicide is denying God or not. As I stated in my previous post, a person who commits suicide (assuming mental capability for rational thought) is making a decision based on several beliefs. They believe that their present situation is beyond God's ability to help them through (denying His power) or that He does not want to help them (denying His love). They also deny that He has a plan for the rest of their life (denying His word in Jeremiah 29:11). Do you have any other way to see this than a denial of God? |
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7 | can you give some scriptures? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 119798 | ||
Sir Pent: I'd be interested in learning how a person can survive suicide. --Hank | ||||||
8 | can you give some scriptures? | Bible general Archive 2 | Sir Pent | 119802 | ||
Personal Note............................................. Hi Hank, Ha, ha :) You are very correct. A person couldn't survive suicide. I should have said survived a suicide "attempt". This reminds me of one of my favorite movies called "It's a Wonderful Life". There's a line in there that says suicide is illegal around these parts. However, I wonder what the punishment would be considering the person would already be dead? |
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