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1 | How do we see ourselves? | NT general Archive 1 | skccab | 193216 | ||
P.S. Steve Also, those verses do confirm that we indeed miss the mark quite often but Paul does not call himself a "sinner"; he only admits that like everyone else he battles the old bad habits he'd lived with for so long that are contrary to the word of our God. And John, the same thing, he does not state that we are sinners and if we say we're not we're liars - he says that sin (the natural inclinations to live and behave contrary to God's word) is within us, etc. So my question is why we don't say the same thing about ourselves that the Bible says. Don't you think if we spoke of ourselves more often in the good sense (that is quite Biblical) that maybe the battle against that "old man's" appetites might not appear so daunting? Just a thought Cheri |
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2 | How do we see ourselves? | NT general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 193240 | ||
Hello Cheri, While Paul and John do not explicitly call themselves sinners, each plainly state that the sinfulness still resides and works us. I conclude that I am a sinner who is now free to love and obey Christ. Steve |
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3 | How do we see ourselves? | NT general Archive 1 | skccab | 193243 | ||
Good evening Steve, How's your day been? Blessed, I pray? Thank you so much for joining me in my journey. I hope you enjoyed the moments of contemplation on the subject of just who we are in the Lord, I know that I have and have learned a few things. I can see where you are coming from and freely concede that sin definitely does remain in us - but I still think it's more to do with comfortable habits, natural human inclinations, laziness and pure stupidity rather than the "original" sinful inclinations that we as humans inherited from Adam's deed. Rom. 14:12-14 The night is almost gone, and the day is near. Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. 14:13 Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkeness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy, 4:14 But put on the Lord Yeshua Messiah, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts. Those verses tell me we have a choice. (Which you also stated.) But I think I choose to see myself more as the "new creation," being re-born of the Spirit and the Water and having all things be new. Then I can relate much better to Paul's exhortation of Phil 3:13-16 3:13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Messiah Yeshua. 4:15 Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that also to you; 4:16 however, let us keep living by that same standard to which we have attained. Personally, I have trouble reconciling the thought that I or any of my brethren in the Lord (and you , definitely included!) who are "perfect" (4:15) can possibly be "sinners" also. If we keep looking back at what we once were, at where we once were, it's going to be very difficult to stay focused on what we are becoming and where we are heading. Don't you think? Doesn't that give the "old man" opportunity to take the lead, so to speak? I'm not trying to argue with you, dear brother, and I am taking to heart everything you are sharing with me; and I'm not trying to get you to go with my way of thinking either, I'm just trying to make the two aspects somehow make sense, meld. Still in a quandry!! Cheri |
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4 | How do we see ourselves? | NT general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 193261 | ||
Hi Cheri, We're really not very far apart, I think. As you say, I also choose to see myself as a new creation in Christ though I acknowledge (as Paul) that the vestiges of the sin nature remain as long as I'm in this body of death (Romans 7:24). Steve |
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5 | How do we see ourselves? | NT general Archive 1 | skccab | 193267 | ||
Steve, It's been such a pleasure having this discussion with you. I've really enjoyed it. And I'll happily agree with you!! We were both horrible empty sinners headed for hell that got saved by the grace and mercy of our God. And now we are brand new creations, our minds are being renewed to think the thoughts of God and to do His good works. We are a mighty, marvelous work in process, being transformed into the image of the Son Himself. We have the tendencies of sin within us, and we miss the mark sometimes, but if we continue to forge onward with the prize of the mark of God's HIGH calling before us, we are far more than just sinners saved by grace. Have a blessed day, Steve Cheri |
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