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1 | How do we see ourselves? | NT general Archive 1 | skccab | 193213 | ||
Hi all God's morning to ya First let me say, I've been blessed reading the posts here on SBF. I've grown much since I joined waaaay back in April :-) I don't ask too many questions, cos usually I can find the answers on my own (by using the search feature), but this particular question, I wanted to ask and get fresh answers. But I want to preface my question first with LOTS of scripture so --- Please sit back and enjoy your Word trip to my question. Rom. 8:1 …for those who are in Yeshua Messiah. Rom. 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you… Rom. 8:10 If Messiah is in you… Rom. 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Yeshua from the dead dwells in you,…through His Spirit who dwells in you. Rom. 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Rom. 8:15 …but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out,“Abba! Father!” Rom. 8:16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, Rom. 8:17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Messiah… Rom. 8:27 …for He intercedes for the saints… Rom. 8:28 …to those who are called according to His purpose. Rom. 8:29 …He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren, Rom. 8:33 Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? …. Rom. 9:23 …the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, Rom. 9:24 even us, whom He also called,… 1 Cor. 1:8 who will also confirm you to the end, blameless… 1 Cor. 1:9 …through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Yeshua Messiah, our Lord. 1 Cor. 3:9 …you are God’s field, God’s building 1 Cor. 12:27 Now you are Messiah’s body, and individually members of it. 2 Cor. 1:21 Now He who establishes us with you in Messiah and anointed us is God, 2 Cor. 1:22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge. 2 Cor. 2:15 For we are a fragrance of Messiah to God among those who are being saved… 2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Messiah, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 2 Cor. 5:21 …so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2 Cor. 6:16 …For we are the temple of the living God; … Gal. 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Messiah Yeshua. Gal. 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Messiah have clothed yourselves with Messiah. Gal. 3:29 And if you belong to Messiah, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise. Eph. 1:4 …who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Messiah, Eph. 1:5 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. … Eph. 2:5 …made us alive together with Messiah… Eph. 2:6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Yeshua Messiah, Eph. 2:19…but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, Eph. 2:22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit. Eph. 4:23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, Eph. 4:24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. Col. 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light. Col. 1:13 …and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, Col. 1:22 …in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach- Col. 3:10 and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him- Col. 3:12 So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved… I'm sure by now you know what I was trying to point out and that there are just bookoos more (like almost ALL of 1 John) but I had to stop somewhere. (I originally had what I was leading up to underlined but it didn't "take" here.) QUESTION: The Pauline Letters NEVER speak of a believer as a sinner (a sinner before believing - yes; but never after being saved). So why do we? I listen to Vernon McGee and he's always calling himself a sinner, and there are others. Why? If we stick our hands in our pockets, lower our eyes to the ground, and mumble , "Ah shucks, ma'am, I'm just a sinner saved by grace," aren't we calling God a liar and His Word a lie? Cos as far as I have been able to see, the Bible doesn't say that those who are saved are sinners. (Sure, we still commit sin sometimes, but usually not in bold disobedience but in times of complacency or just stupidity, but that doesn't make us to be "sinners" again, does it?) (Let me now qualify my word "never." In the study I just performed, I did not come across any such statement, though I could have missed it.) Still learning Cheri |
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2 | How do we see ourselves? | NT general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 193214 | ||
Hello Cheri, I offer these for consideration. Romans 7:13-20 (ESV) Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. [14] For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. [15] For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. [16] Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. [17] So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. [18] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. [19] For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. [20] Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 1 John 1:8-10 (ESV) If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Steve |
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3 | How do we see ourselves? | NT general Archive 1 | skccab | 193215 | ||
Hi Steve, Thank you for answering so quickly. I am differentiating between being called a "sinner" (as we were before being saved) and being human and sometimes committing a sin (either because we have become lazy or just didn't see it as a sin). To me, the latter does not qualify as putting a believer back in the same status as that of the sinner he/she was before redemption. Just because I commit a sin by YELLING at you in anger does not put me back in the same category as the sinner does it? It puts a chism (sp?) between you and me that I must make right with you and our God, but it won't send me to damnation, will it? (By the way, I wasn't really yelling at you, my bother, just an example, please.) Do you understand what I'm asking? Cheri |
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