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1 | The New Birth - A Survey | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 128934 | ||
Greetings New Creature! I like Mark's response to the question. I don't think a simple 'active' or 'passive' will cut it. Certainly, Christ does everything in salvation. He paid the price. He forgives. He cleanses. He makes us new creatures (to use your screen name)! :-) Yet, the gift of salvation must also be accepted. Note what Rom. 5:17 says, "For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ." We must receive god's provision of grace and the gift of righteousness in order to partake of it's benefits. To use a human analogy, if I buy a gift for my wife, she has 'done' nothing to deserve it. I bought it because I wanted to do so. I paid for it, not her. I picked it out, not her. I wrapped it, not her. I offered it to her. But, if she does not accept the gift, the gift will 'do' nothing for her. It simply sits in the box - unopened and unwanted. This is why I don't think and 'either or' answer is sufficient. We are commanded to 'believe' to 'receive', and to 'accept'. These are all 'active' voice commands. But, are 'action' only extends to accepting or rejecting the gift, not purchasing the gift. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | The New Birth - A Survey | NT general Archive 1 | New Creature | 128966 | ||
Tim; After reading Mark's position, I personally couldn't see where the option of being "passive but consenting" could be possible. Below is my reply to Mark. I wanted you to see the problem I have with with such a position. When I looked up the word "passive" in my Websters Dictionary I got the following definition: passive adj. 1. influenced or acted upon without exerting influence or acting in return; inactive but acted upon. 2. offering no opposition or resistance; submissive; yielding; patient. 3. taking no part; inactive; inert. 4. in grammar, indicating that the subject is the receiver (object) of the action the verb denotes (e.g., in "the tree was struck by lightning," was struck is said to be in the passive voice). Then looking up the word "consent" I end up with the following definition; consent 1. to agree (to do something); give permission, approval. 2. an act of the will By using those definitions, I don't see how it is possible to be both "passive" and "consenting" at the same time. How is it possible to be passive and yet consenting using those definitions? Maybe you can help me once again. God Bless you New Creature |
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3 | The New Birth - A Survey | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 128971 | ||
Greetings New Creature! I think the problem is that answer will really statisfy the conditions of your question as asked. It's not 'either or'. But, under the limitations of your question I would say that Mark did a fine job in this sense. We are not active in the purchase of the gift. We are active in the acceptence of the gift. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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