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1 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | Suede67 | 115380 | ||
ischus, Pretty good illustration, but it's a bit off. I guess the point I'm making is that the Law was still valid for a time after Christ's death and ascension. Why? Paul knew this best and noted that the law was only a shadow of things to COME. Col 2:17 "things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." Interesting line there. Paul is saying in essence that even though the law is around, it is but a shadow of a coming reality. Hebrews 10:1 says the same. What people are missing is that it's a coming reality, not a present one. So, did Christ leave us in a state of 'limbo', or did he fulfill all things. It's clear that Christ's work was not entirely finished at the cross. This is noted in black and white in Hebrews 8:13 "When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." See? The Old Covenant was still valid even post ascension. Something else had to happen, what was it? Hebrews 9:28 "so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him." See, the period from roughly 30 AD to 70 AD was similar to the wandering of the Israelites in the desert in Exodus. There was a 40 year transition period there, to rid the "Kingdom of God" of the wicked. This would be capped off by the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. This is the way to harminize the Bible as a whole. This is why Futurism can not work, it's missing both the broad picture, and the details. Take care, SUEDE |
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2 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | flinkywood | 115394 | ||
Suede, 1) Was the destruction of the Temple part of God's ridding "the 'Kingdom of God' of the wicked"? 2) Was the Holocaust a 20th Century analog of this? 3) How does the destruction of the Temple Harmonize the Bible as a whole? Colin. |
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3 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | Suede67 | 115400 | ||
Hey Colin, Excellent questions! 1) Was the destruction of the Temple part of God's ridding "the 'Kingdom of God' of the wicked"? Yes. The faithful living in Jerusalem were told to flee the city before it's destruction, the Olivet Discourse and Revelation cover these warnings. You probably aren't aware of this, but the Harlot of Revelation is Jerusalem. John the Baptist, Jesus and the Disciples explictly warned the wicked Jews (namely the Pharisees) that the wrath of God was coming for them. Matt. 3:7 John and the pharisees; Matt. 21-vineyard parable; Matt. 26:64-warning to Caiaphas, the chief priests, the scribes, the elders, the whole Sanhedrin; Lk. 23:28-30 Jesus warns the women of Jerusalem compare with Rev. 6:14-17; Acts 2:17 Peter warns a crowd that the Last Days were upon them just like Joel prophesized; and those are just a few. 2) Was the Holocaust a 20th Century analog of this? You know, a lot of people say that the Jews still suffer today for killing Jesus. I personally believe that hardships are more apt to fall on non believers then believers (though the sun shines on both) and do not feel that this has anything to do with the Holocaust. Most people believe that Matthew 27:25 means that ALL the Jews forever will be under a 'blood curse' for killing Jesus. I do not. I believe that when "And all the people said, 'His blood shall be on us and on our children!" they were signing off on a punishment that would be realized in full in 70 AD. 3) How does the destruction of the Temple Harmonize the Bible as a whole? Well, that has to do with the New Covenant coming in, which of course the Jews had known about for quite some time due to the prophets. If you'll notice, espeically in the NT, there's usually a earthly event that symbolizes a divine reality. Look at the Temple veil on earth that was torn when Christ was killed. (Mt 27:51) Why? That symbolized that Jesus was the link between God and man, that was a earthly symbol of a divine reality, Heb 9:24 "For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;" The temple being destroyed was God's way of letting us know that he was here with us, that our bodies were his temple. See the tabernacle, the temple, the veil; God did away with all those things, those shadows of the divine reality which is Jesus the Christ. This harminizes the Bible by allowing us to see that God dwells among men once more like he did in Genesis. No longer do we need Temples and Tabernacles and altars; God made good on his promise! Take care, SUEDE |
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4 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | flinkywood | 115401 | ||
Suede, I don't understand the harmony in 3, perhaps you can elucidate. Are you saying the organizing principle of the entire Bible can be expressed from the Temple destruction? Is this particular tragedy a touchstone for all the essential doctrines of the Christian faith? Also, can you be more specific on how you know that God was deliberately de-wickeding His kingdom with the Temple destruction? Many Christians also perished at that time. Colin |
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5 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | Suede67 | 115408 | ||
Colin, "Are you saying the organizing principle of the entire Bible can be expressed from the Temple destruction?" I wouldn't necessarily say it's the organizing principle, but I do believe it's a symbolic conclusion. Let's ask, was it God's intent to be seperated from man? Was it his intent for us to have to do blood sacrifices? Was it his intent to dwell in an earthly man built temple? No. The Bible is the story of how man and God had a relationship and how man fell and how God restored the relationship. The Temple destruction is a symbol, and finale of God's promised work to restore mankind in his eyes. "Is this particular tragedy a touchstone for all the essential doctrines of the Christian faith?' I wouldn't say for ALL essential doctrines. Eschatology has never been consider essential as far as salvation goes. However, I do believe it is very important to understand and literally paramount to understanding the Bible as a whole correctly. "Also, can you be more specific on how you know that God was deliberately de-wickeding His kingdom with the Temple destruction? Many Christians also perished at that time." Well, first it's actually incorrect to assume that Christians died in Jerusalem. Jewish historian Jospheus records ZERO deaths of Christians. Why? Because they all fled the city before it was fully laid to siege. Israel was God's people, his country, his kingdom. But she had grown very, very wicked. Jerusalem was basically God's city, but it too had become just as wicked, and the Temple was ground zero. To understand all this, one needs to study the Olivet Discourse and Revelation and understand that it is Jerusalem that is the focal point. Once one grasps that, her destruction becomes self evident. I would recommend looking into the Olivet Discourse for starters, namely Luke's account, chapter 21 starting at verse 5. Take care, good questions again. SUEDE |
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