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1 | Getting the verdict before the judgment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Mathew | 84214 | ||
Thank you for responding to my Question and notes with such detail...But I respectfuly disagree, and this is why. Let me try and explain without sounding open to new ideas. You started out saying that the body is made of three parts. I agree, but I don't beleive in disimbodied human spirits. The bible does not teach of this at all. The immortal soul does not exist in the bible. Man BECAME a LIVING SOUL.Man was not GIVEN a LIVING SOUL. All Gods creatues are living souls. Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fow of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is (2416-life)(Hebrew word is SOUL here),I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. life: Heb. a living soul-2416 Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life2416; and man BECAME a living soul. Job 12:10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. BODY and BREATH equale a LIVING SOUL. Job 14:10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he? Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again ? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my CHANGE come. Man and beast were created the same way,and die the same way, the only difference is that we are made in the image(likeness)of God. Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all ONE BREATH; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. Psa 49:12 Nevertheless man being in honor abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish. Paul beleives in being CLOTHED What is meant by the term "unclothed"? Notice that Paul specifically declared that he did not desire to be naked or unclothed. We can be certain, then, that the unclothed state did not involve being with the Lord, since Paul did not desire it. In fact, the apostle made reference to being clothed with only two houses, the earthly and heavenly. In the unclothed state, he was neither in the earthly body nor clothed with the heavenly. That leaves only one possible explanation. To be "unclothed" or "naked" is the condition of death which is the interlude between the dissolving of the earthly house and putting on the heavenly. Some have claimed that the house which we have "eternal in the heavens" is the immortal soul with which we immediately enter into heaven when the earthly house is dissolved. But this could not be. Notice the impossibility of such an arrangement. If the soul inhabited that heavenly "house" immediately at death, what happens when it must inhabit the immortalized body after the resurrection takes place? It is in the glorified resurrection bodies that the righteous dwell with God for eternity. This would involve those souls leaving the "house eternal in the heavens" which they inhabited at death, and going into the redeemed bodies at the resurrection. Then what happens to the house they vacated? Are the saints to have "houses to rent"? Moreover, this view introduces something which Paul never mentioned; for here we have THREE HOUSES, but Paul's language allows for only TWO. And one would have to be abandoned according to the popular view. Would it stand abandoned and fall into ruin? All this is unscriptural and absurd. Such a view is an impossibility. I will respond to the rest of your notes in my next letter so I don't take up a whole page. |
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2 | Getting the verdict before the judgment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Radioman2 | 84216 | ||
Mathew: [Thank you for your reply. I respect your right to your understanding of this subject. Following is further explanation of my understanding of it. I want you to know that I do appreciate your input. --Radioman2] In your reply you write: "You started out saying that the body is made of three parts." No, I didn't. What I said is: "Man is made up of three parts: Spirit, Soul and Body." "Man" -- not "body" -- is made up of three parts. 'When the Soul Leaves the Body, the Body Sleeps 'The term "sleep" is never applied to the soul or the spirit, but only the body. The soul and the spirit continue to exist after death. The body "sleeps" and goes back to dust. The following verses refer to the state of the body's death as sleep: 'Matthew 9:24 "He began to say, 'Depart; for the girl has not died, but is asleep.' And they were laughing at Him." John 11:11 "This He said, and after that He said to them, 'Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, that I may awaken him out of sleep.'"Acts 7:59-60 "And they went on stoning Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!' And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, 'Lord do not hold this sin against them!' And having said this, he fell asleep." Acts 13:36 "For David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation fell asleep, and was laid among his fathers, and underwent decay." 1 Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus." 'Man's Soul and Man's Spirit are More than Breath '1 Samuel 18:1 "Now it came about when he had finished speaking to Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as himself." '2 Samuel 5:8 "And David said on that day, 'Whoever would strike the Jebusites, let him reach the lame and the blind, who are hated by David's soul, through the water tunnel.' Therefore they say, the blind or the lame shall not come into the house." 'Mark 14:34 "And He said to them, 'My soul is deeply grieved to the point of death; remain here and keep watch.'" 'Psalm 107:26 "They rose up to the heavens, they went down to the depth; their souls melted away in their misery." 'Luke 2:35 " . . . and a sword will pierce even your own soul to the end that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed." 'Man's Spirit is what is Regenerated 'John 3:6-7 "That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'" 'God Works Through Man's Spirit 'Proverbs 20:27 "The spirit of man is the lamp of the Lord, searching all the innermost parts of his being."' (http://www.sdaoutreach.org/dead.html) |
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3 | Getting the verdict before the judgment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Mathew | 84219 | ||
Radioman2, Nice to hear from you again, I'll try and get my facts straight this time...lol You said that the word sleep(death)is never applied to the soul or the spirit. Eze 18:20 The soul-5315 that sinneth, it shall die(sleep). I'm sure your next question is that this is only sinners and not Christians. But this is refurring to Christians also. Because of Jesus there will be a resurrection for ALL men. Some to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt. The first death has no power over anybody. All will be raised out of their sleep. But all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, so all will die(sleep)also. As far as the scriptures that you have given me for my own personal study time..I would like to add these thoughts. , "Shall mortal man be more just than God? Shall a man be more pure than his maker?" There is the word we are looking for! Man is mortal. He is subject to death. God did not make him without the capacity to deteriorate and die. The fact is, only God has that inherent power of eternal existence. He is immortal. And the only time that word is used in the Bible, it refers to God. "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen." 1 Timothy 1:17. The actual root word in the Greek is "pneuma," a word which means "breath" or "air." We take our English word "pneumonia" from "pneuma" because it is a disease of the lungs, or of breathing. We have pneumatic tires, also derived from pneuma, because they have air in them. But that same Greek word "pneuma" also has another meaning. It means "spirit." For example, the Greek term for "Holy Spirit" is "Hagios pneumatos," "Holy Breath" or "Holy Spirit." The words "breath" and "spirit" are often used interchangeably in the Bible. Job said, "All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils." Job 27:3. Now, it doesn't take a high degree of intelligence to know that Job was describing the same thing by the words "breath" and "spirit." Man has only breath in his nostrils. In fact, that is what God breathed into man's nostrils at the time of creation. "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man BECAME a living soul." Genesis 2:7 The fact is, the soul is the conscious life which resulted when God added the breath or spirit to the body. |
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