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1 | Getting the verdict before the judgment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Mathew | 84250 | ||
Emmaus, I see that you have run out of scripture to support the weak views carried out by 2,000 years of Christian exegesis(whatever that word is). You have only put me down in my understanding on this subject in every post you've posted for me. Heb 5:11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to be explained since you are dull of hearing. Heb 5:12 For indeed because of the time, you ought to be teachers, you have need that one teach you again what are the first principles of the oracles of God. And you have become in need of milk, and not of solid food. Heb 5:13 For everyone partaking of milk is unskillful in the Word of Righteousness, for he is an infant. Heb 5:14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, even those who because of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.Heb 6:1 Therefore, having left the discourse of the beginning of Christ, let us go on to full growth, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Heb 6:2 of the baptisms, of doctrine, and of laying on of hands, and of RESSURECTION OF THE DEAD, and of ETERNAL JUDGMENT. Heb 6:3 And this we will do, if God permits. |
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2 | Getting the verdict before the judgment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 84252 | ||
Matthew, "I see that you have run out of scripture to support the weak views carried out by 2,000 years of Christian exegesis(whatever that word is)." Would any amount of scripture change your position? I doubt it. It is not the scripture or its amount that is at issue, but the interpetation of scripture. Please look up the meaning of exegesis and isogesis also. It is at the heart of our disagreement. "Those seeing you will gaze even at you, saying . . . " (Is. 14:9-11). To be absent from the body is not to be unconscious, but rather it enables one to be home with the Lord, according to Paul (2 Cor. 5:8, Phil. 1:23). The body is just a tent, or clothing, or a tabernacle that does not last (2 Cor. 5:1-4; 2 Pet. 1:13), while man cannot kill the soul (Matt. 10:28). In fact, the souls live past the death of the bodies, since John "saw . . . the souls of those slaughtered . . . and they cried with a loud voice, saying . . . and they were told . . . " (Rev. 6:9-11). Because the soul does not die with the flesh, those in heaven are able to offer our prayers to God (Rev. 5:8), and live in happiness (Rev. 14:13. I know that according to you some "souls" in heaven are the integrated resurrected bodies and souls of the Old testament just. But it seems fundamentaly inconsistent that once the gates of heaven were opened all the other soul/bodies should be unconscious until the Second Coming. But I now know where you are coming from and why, since as you said, you have "let the cat out of the bag." We must for obvious reasons disagree with one another on this matter. What I found disingenuous about your earlier posts was your assertion that you came to your positions by reading of the bible just on your own. Emmaus |
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3 | Getting the verdict before the judgment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 84255 | ||
Hello, Emmaus. Speaking of exegesis recalls to mind a forum dialogue that occurred a year or so ago between a rather head-strong user and me. I forget now what the topic of discussion was, but I do recall the fervor and absolute certainty with which this user attempted to defend his position with the aid of carefully chosen verses which he plucked out of context in order to bend them to his purposes. When I told him he was not following standard biblical exegesis but was resorting to eisogesis in order to try to gain a point, the poor fellow was totally fogbound. He had no idea of what I was talking about. Unfortunately the fellow is not an isolated case. Not only on this forum but on the radio and TV he has many cousins who have no idea of what exegesis means or, knowing, choose to pay it no mind. Exegesis tends to lead to proper interpretation of Scripture, and that is something false teachers don't prize at all and would rather not bother with. It messes up their theology. --Hank | ||||||