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1 | does revelation 6:9-11 teach that the im | Bible general Archive 1 | beethoven | 81835 | ||
does revelation 6:9-11 teach the immortality of the soul? most orthodox christians think so. Jehovah's witnesses are righ in saying that it doesnt. I have inserted an article that refutes this belief. I would like to hear your comments. ------------------------------------- Revelation 6: 9 - 11 9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying: "Until when, Sovereign Lord holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?" 11 And a white robe was given to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled also of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been. Does the above scripture prove that a "soul" survives the body? An examination of the scripture should give the answer. Underneath this altar are "the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have." What does this mean? These could not be disembodied souls—like those believed in by the pagan Greeks. (Genesis 2:7; Ezekiel 18:4) Rather, John knows that the soul, or life, is symbolized by the blood, and when the priests at the ancient Jewish tabernacle slaughtered a sacrificial animal, they sprinkled the blood "round about upon the altar" or poured it "at the base of the altar of burnt offering." (Leviticus 3:2, 8, 13; 4:7; 17:6, 11, 12) Hence, the animal’s soul was closely identified with the altar of sacrifice. But why would the souls, or blood, of these particular servants of God be seen underneath a symbolic altar in heaven? Because their deaths are viewed as sacrificial. All those who are begotten as spirit sons of God die a sacrificial death. Because of the role they are to play in Jehovah’s heavenly Kingdom, it is God’s will that they renounce and sacrifice any hope of life everlasting on earth. In this respect, they submit to a sacrificial death in behalf of Jehovah’s sovereignty. (Philippians 3:8-11; compare 2:17.) This is true in a very real sense of those whom John saw under the altar. They are anointed ones who in their day were martyred for their zealous ministry in upholding Jehovah’s Word and sovereignty. Their "souls [were] slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work [mar•ty•ri´an] that they used to have." The scenario continues to unfold: "And they cried with a loud voice, saying: ‘Until when, Sovereign Lord holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?’" (Revelation 6:10) How can their souls, or blood, cry out for vengeance, since the Bible shows that the dead are unconscious? (Ecclesiastes 9:5) Well, did not righteous Abel’s blood cry out after Cain murdered him? Jehovah then said to Cain: "What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood is crying out to me from the ground." (Genesis 4:10, 11; Hebrews 12:24) It was not that Abel’s blood was literally uttering words. Rather, Abel had died as an innocent victim, and justice called out for his murderer to be punished. Similarly, those Christian martyrs are innocent, and in justice they must be avenged. (Luke 18:7, 8) The cry for vengeance is loud because many thousands have thus died.—Compare Jeremiah 15:15, 16. The witnesses seem to be right |
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2 | does revelation 6:9-11 teach that the im | Bible general Archive 1 | Radioman2 | 81836 | ||
'The NWT (New World Translation) is so extremely biased and perverted, it is questionable if any Hebrew or Greek scholars worked on it. It is nothing more than a sectarian paraphrase, not a translation. 'No one uses the NWT except the JW's. 'JW's on the other hand will use nothing else! 'It has undergone many revisions. 'It is not a translation, but a corrupt sectarian paraphrase' (www.bible.ca/Jw-NWT.htm). |
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3 | does revelation 6:9-11 teach that the im | Bible general Archive 1 | beethoven | 81844 | ||
you didnt answer the question. In revelation 6:9-11 it doesnt matter which bible you use' and still come to the conclusion that the soul is not immortal | ||||||
4 | does revelation 6:9-11 teach that the im | Bible general Archive 1 | Radioman2 | 81853 | ||
"The Bible teaches us that we have an existence away from our bodies once we die. The Jehovah's Witnesses are incorrect. We continue on after death." - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Does Annihilation and resurrection make sense? 'According to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, when you die, you cease to exist: Let God be True, p. 59, 60, 67. On Judgment Day, only faithful Jehovah's Witnesses will be resurrected to life eternal on Paradise Earth. The rest of all mankind will be annihilated, wiped out, made to not exist with no eternal punishment in a fiery hell. 'There is a logical problem with this view. If a Jehovah's Witnesses believes that he ceases to exist when he dies and that he will be resurrected at the Judgment Day, then is he really being resurrected? In other words, if he was alive and then has ceased to exist, he is in the same state he was before he was created. That is, he isn't. He has no existence. He is gone. The only remnant of this person would be in the memory of God (not counting family and friends, etc.). Only God would know if this Jehovah's Witness was good enough for Paradise Earth. If he was, then the reward would be a new creation of someone in the exact image of the Jehovah's Witness who previously lived and did all the works mandated by the Watchtower Organization. But, it wouldn't be the exact same person, because that person ceased to exist and there is no continuity, no continuance of the person since he has ceased to be. 'Therefore, on Judgment day, how can he be resurrected? That is, how is he, as the same person, resurrected when he doesn't exist anymore? Is he the exact same person or has God make an exact copy of the person upon which to shower the blessings of Paradise Earth? 'It would seem that simple logic would contradict the idea of existence, non-existence, and then existence all being the same person. It also contradicts scripture which says, '"We are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord," (2 Cor. 5:8). I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven," (2 Cor. 12:2). 'The Bible teaches us that we have an existence away from our bodies once we die. The Jehovah's Witnesses are incorrect. We continue on after death." (www.carm.org/jw/annihilation.htm) |
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5 | revelation 6:9-11 | Bible general Archive 1 | beethoven | 81871 | ||
You did not address the argument. I asked you if revelation 6:9-11 proves that the soul survives death? It seem to me it doesnt. Those who profess the immortality of the soul use rev. 6:9-11. read rev.6:9-11 again | ||||||
6 | revelation 6:9-11 | Bible general Archive 1 | Radioman2 | 81872 | ||
absent from the body...at home with the Lord Here is the answer in one sentence: The Jehovah's Witnesses are incorrect. '"We are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord," (2 Cor. 5:8). I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven," (2 Cor. 12:2).' 'The Bible teaches us that we have an existence away from our bodies once we die. The Jehovah's Witnesses are incorrect. We continue on after death." (www.carm.org/jw/annihilation.htm) |
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7 | revelation 6:9-11 | Bible general Archive 1 | Truthfinder | 83069 | ||
Hmmmmmm Radioman2, Who told you that? The Bible didn't. That is totally scarry. That is so so archaic. What is the resurrections? Acts 24:15; John 5:28, 29. On the other hand, if you mean, if we are resurrected to life, whether a spirit creature or to a future earthly resurrection, then certainly. But if we don't really die, but some part of us (the soul perhaps) continues on living, simply is not true according to the Bible. Expain Ezk. 18:4; Gen. 2:7; Eccl. 9:5-10; 1 Cor. 15:53; Acts 24:15; John 5:28, 29 Truthfinder |
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8 | revelation 6:9-11 | Bible general Archive 1 | Radioman2 | 83074 | ||
'Does Annihilation and resurrection make sense? 'According to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, when you die, you cease to exist: Let God be True, p. 59, 60, 67. On Judgment Day, only faithful Jehovah's Witnesses will be resurrected to life eternal on Paradise Earth. The rest of all mankind will be annihilated, wiped out, made to not exist with no eternal punishment in a fiery hell. 'There is a logical problem with this view. If a Jehovah's Witnesses believes that he ceases to exist when he dies and that he will be resurrected at the Judgment Day, then is he really being resurrected? In other words, if he was alive and then has ceased to exist, he is in the same state he was before he was created. That is, he isn't. He has no existence. He is gone. The only remnant of this person would be in the memory of God (not counting family and friends, etc.). Only God would know if this Jehovah's Witness was good enough for Paradise Earth. If he was, then the reward would be a new creation of someone in the exact image of the Jehovah's Witness who previously lived and did all the works mandated by the Watchtower Organization. But, it wouldn't be the exact same person, because that person ceased to exist and there is no continuity, no continuance of the person since he has ceased to be. 'Therefore, on Judgment day, how can he be resurrected? That is, how is he, as the same person, resurrected when he doesn't exist anymore? Is he the exact same person or has God make an exact copy of the person upon which to shower the blessings of Paradise Earth? 'It would seem that simple logic would contradict the idea of existence, non-existence, and then existence all being the same person. It also contradicts scripture which says, '"We are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord," (2 Cor. 5:8). I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven," (2 Cor. 12:2). 'The Bible teaches us that we have an existence away from our bodies once we die. The Jehovah's Witnesses are incorrect. We continue on after death." (www.carm.org/jw/annihilation.htm) |
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9 | revelation 6:9-11 | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 83080 | ||
So I suppose "To be or not to be, that is the question." :-) Radioman, I do want to be fair to the Watchtower folks and give them credit for a fine article that appeared in one of their "Awake" publications some time ago. It was well written, factual, and I suppose you could call it orthodox in a way. The subject of the article was popcorn. Yes, popcorn. It described in vivid prose how mouth-wateringly delicious popcorn is. Nutritious too. Since I was already safely within the fold of believers in popcorn, the article didn't convert me, but it was entertaining nevertheless. That very evening my wife went into the kitchen and popped us up a giant bowl of popcorn which we enjoyed enormously along with tall glasses of ice-cold Pepsi. This story I'm relating has no moral I suppose, but it hints at the idea that Watchtower might be wise to change its name to Watchtower Popcorn and Tract Society. That article on popcorn was far and away the best thing I've ever seen to roll off the Watchtower press.--Hank | ||||||