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1 | Critical Text vs. Received Text | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 6895 | ||
These are great observations! That is a question, why are there no major translations that use the Majority Text? Is it that way because the translators seek to base their works on what they view as a text that is closest to the original autographs instead of one that includes everything, even supposed errors of medieval scribes? Chris, were there any particular places in the Majority text (besides the book of Revelation) that 'prove' that the Majority text is 'stronger' or 'weaker' then the Critical text? There are over 5,000 manuscripts of the Bible, and no two are exactly the same! But as seen in the findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls in Qumran in the 1940s, where the text of Isaiah that was found was almost word for word exact with the text that we 'agree' upon today, that the Bible that we have today is very accurate despite the common variants, and that this large weight of proof (5,000 manuscripts throughout the ages) can only solidify and work to strengthen our faith in God and the Bible as God Holy Word. Thanks for your thoughts and I hope to inspire more thoughts on this issue! | ||||||
2 | Critical Text vs. Received Text | Bible general Archive 1 | Chris | 6899 | ||
Nolan, Actually, the Critical and the Majority are almost identical in Revelation, it's the Received Text that has so many variations. (I think the reason is that the fella that put the text together only had 6 Greek texts and all of them were missing portions of Revelation, so he translated the Latin Vulgate BACK to Greek.) Actually, the Majority Text is 'critically' appraised just like the Critical Text, but the two oldest manuscripts, which are the basis for the CT, are not given extra weight.(At least this is my understanding, I'm often wrong on these issues and my memory is not always reliabe! Darkness to Light is quite thorough on this issue, but you will have to ignore some of the reformed theology talk!) The Majority Text does give older manuscripts more weight, but not as disproprtiantly as the Critical. I would simply like a NASB Bible with all the variants between the CT and MT compared, in the back of the Bible or in the margin, like the NKJV. Unfortunately, the NKJV uses the RT and shows variants between the RT and MT and CT, so you end up looking in the margins more than you do in the text! (slight exaggeration:-) I also noticed that a new translation , the Holman Christian Standard Bible lables all varients but it doesn't tell you which is a varient from the MT verses a variant from the RT, HCSB uses the CT for the text. I don't trust the RT if the MT does not agree with it, see I Jn 5:7b in a KJV or NKJV, "For there are three that bear witness (in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.)" The brackets show what amount of this verse is in neither the MT nor the CT! This addition is only in a handful of manuscripts, and I do believe there was some tampering with the holy Scripture but it was late (after 1000AD?) shortly before the printing press. These variants are clearly weeded out by the Majority Text. One other note, an honest consideration of the book of Hebrews forces one to admit that the writer was using the LXX for quotations rather than the Hebrew Old Testament. And, some of the quotations used are not found in the Hebrew OT, so if GOD decided that the LXX was good enough for quotations in the NT, any of these three mss will lead us to the truth! GOD bless! |
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3 | Critical Text vs. Received Text | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 6949 | ||
Good info Chris! The DTL web site you mentioned is the best place I know of to educate one’s self on this issue. The Received Text and the Majority Text are from the same Byzantine (Antioch) source. The Critical Text is from the Alexandrian (Egypt) source. The RT, in effect, is the same as the MT except for Revelation, as you pointed out. The 1 John 5:7 difference you mentioned is about the only difference you will find between the RT and the MT (except for Rev). The 1 John 5:7 variant is not really a manuscript difference, but came about as pressure from the Roman Clergy toward Erasmus (Texus Receptus originator) to make it agree with the longer Latin Vulgate ending. The small handful of manuscripts Erasmus had to work with speaks well of the MT consistencies. Almost any other small number of MT manuscripts could have been selected, at random, and the results would have been the same. The reason for the Revelation variants in the RT, is because Erasmus only had 1 or 2 manuscripts that contained Revelation at all. The Vulgate to Greek translating was very limited, however. It happened as a result of Erasmus rushing to get the TR published before he could get hold of reliable, complete Revelation manuscripts. The Revelation differences, that I saw, in my NKJV Bible, that demand a decision, are as follows: 1:5 (RT/MT-washed CT-freed), 5:10 (RT-us CT/MT-them), 8:13 (RT-angel CT/MT-eagle), 9:21 (RT-sorceries CT/MT-drugs), 10:11 (RT-he CT/MT-them), 11:8 (RT-our CT/MT-their), 11:12 (RT/CT-they MT-I), 12:8 (RT/CT-them MT-him), 13:1 (RT/MT-I CT-he), 15:3 (RT-saints CT/MT-nations), 16:16 (RT/CT-Armageddon MT-Megiddo), and 22:14 (RT/MT-do His commandments CT-wash their robes). Notice sometimes the RT agrees with the MT and sometimes the RT agrees with the CT, but most of the time the MT/CT agree with other, as you have pointed out. I will look further at the RT/MT differences to see if I want to scratch in the MT translation in my NKJV. I know there are many more Revelation variants than these, but these are the only ones I saw as effecting the meaning. Most are just word order. Thanks for motivating me to investigate! A good MT translation you might want to check into is the WEB (ebible.org). It is only available in the New Testament as hard copy at this time. It is available complete as a free download for the e-Sword bible program. E-sword is excellent and available free at e-sword.net. Check it out. In Christ Jesus! |
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4 | Critical Text vs. Received Text | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 6956 | ||
Retxar: My sincere thanks to you for posting a well-informed, informative and amply researched and supported reply to this issue. Maybe you'll set a trend on the Forum -- a trend towards posting facts, not fantasy. Keep up the good work. | ||||||
5 | Critical Text vs. Received Text | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 6961 | ||
Thank you JVH0212 for the kind words. And thank all you guys (and gals) for allowing me to express a view that is probably not too popular here (being a NASB/CT forum). I really appreciate that! The amazing thing to me, is not the differences in all the Bible evidences, but the supernatural exactness and preservation. Everyone has played the game where several people get together with one person telling another a phrase and that person telling another and when the last person gets the story, it is nowhere near what started out. Not so with the Word! There have been literally thousands and thousands of men's dirty little hands on God's Word over the years, with each one having the chance to introduce corruption, either intentionally or unintentionally. God's Word has been under attack, more than any other book that ever existed. What other book does anyone know of that people were (and are) willing to die for? The way God preserved and documented His Word thru mere men goes beyond what anyone should expect, even for a person who might think the Bible is only man's words! There is more documented evidence that Jesus was God the Son than that George Washington was our first President! I like what Gamaliel the Pharisee said in Acts 5:38-39 "for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it; lest you even be found to fight against God." We all know, almost 2000 years later that, how men are still trying to overthrow God and His Word, but God's plan and work are still going strong and that is made possible only thru and by THE WORD! God Bless! |
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6 | Critical Text vs. Received Text | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 6990 | ||
Amen retxar! I sincerely appreciate the dialogue concerning this discussion, since I have also struggled with this over the years. Thanks and blessings to all who have contributed and will contribute! God bless you! Nolan | ||||||