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1 | Where are guardian angels mentioned? | Bible general Archive 1 | gomar | 523 | ||
Where are guardian angels mentioned in the Bible? | ||||||
2 | Where are guardian angels mentioned? | Bible general Archive 1 | Rob Aronson | 68443 | ||
Gomar, Consider these passages... Dan 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. Dan 10:21 "However, I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth. Yet there is no one who stands firmly with me against these (forces) except Michael your prince. Dan 12:1 "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands (guard) over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. Rev 1:20 "As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches. We see from this that indeed there are "guardian" angels, but I prefer not to use this term. If I am not mistaken, the notion of personal guardian angels comes from Catholicism; however, there is nothing biblical which states that each person is given an angelic guardian. In terms of kingdoms though, it seems that each nation (or prominent nations) have national angelic princes, i.e. Micheal is the prince of Israel. In the Revelation, we see that each of the early churches had an angelic gaurdian. Moreover, the angel that came to Daniel was witheld 21 days from reaching him by the prince of Persia, and Michael had to come to his aid. From this scriptural account, we get a small glimpse at the angelic order and heirarchy, yet still, it is not even enough of a glimpse to fully support the claim I've made concerning national guardianship. How much more then should we question such a doctrine as "personal guardian angels" (for which there is no scripture for)? To believe this doctrine would require believing in something that the Bible doesn't fully back up. I don't think it's possible to fully comprehend the angelic order; after all, we have our own world to fully make sense of, which for any of us is plenty. Take care, -Rob |
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3 | Where are guardian angels mentioned? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 68471 | ||
Rob, Dan 10:13 I think the "Prince of Persia," is one of the minions of the "Prince of this World," that is a fallen angel. Otherwise why would he contend with the angel sent to Danieel and with the abgel Michael? You are correct that the catholic Church teaches we have guardian angels. Specifically it teaches "From infancy to death human life is surrounded by their watchful care and intercession.(203) "Beside each believer believer stands an angel as protector and shepherd leading him to life."(203)Already here on earth the Christian shares by faith in the blessed sompany of angels and men united in God." As you can see from the references below, this teaching is not entirely wwithout scriptural reference especially Matt 18:10 even if the precise term like the term "guardian angel," like the term "Trinity" is not found in any texts explicitly. 202 Cf. Mt 18:10; Lk 16:22; Pss 34:7; 91:10-13; Job 33:23-24; Zech 1:12. 203 St. Basil, Adv. Eunomium III, I: PG 29, 656B. Emmaus |
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4 | Where are guardian angels mentioned? | Bible general Archive 1 | Rob Aronson | 68484 | ||
Emmaus, It was my intention to show that the Prince of Perisia was indeed one of the fallen host. As for the references you quoted, how do they further the doctrine of individual permanently assigned gaurdian angels? I don't think they do. Here's what you cited: M't:18:10: Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.(KJV) This is questionable: Jesus says "their angels", not "each of their." While this may be the closest the Bible comes to hinting at guardian angels, it's incomplete--especially compared to the doctrine of the Trinity, which is explained clearly: 1John:5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.(KJV) Next you cite Luke: Luke 16:22 "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.(NASB) This passage falls extremely short of supporting your contention. In fact, to use it as such is greatly stretching what it says. Your next reference is to the Psalms: Ps 34:7 The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear Him, And rescues them.(NASB) The Angel of the Lord is a specific personage. Consider: Ge:22:11: And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.(KJV) Concerning Psalm 91:10-13, it's in reference to the Messiah; and even if we do apply it to ourselves, it does not express individual assigned guardian angels for each person. You cite Job 33 (this is better, but...): Job 33:23-24 is questionable in using to support your claim because of its poetic context. Lastly, Zechariah: Zechariah 1:12? How do you figure? Zech 1:12 ΒΆ Then the angel of the LORD said, "O LORD of hosts, how long will You have no compassion for Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, with which You have been indignant these seventy years?" (NASB) You seem to be confusing the "angel of the Lord", a specific personage, to "angels" in the plural sense--all of the heavenly host. This is not so, and a thorough reading of Genesis makes this apparent. Here's what you said at the end of your post: "As you can see from the references below, this teaching is not entirely wwithout scriptural reference especially Matt 18:10 even if the precise term like the term "guardian angel," like the term "Trinity" is not found in any texts explicitly. " Alright, now you're right about references, but I've just adequately refuted the ones you've chosen because they were too thin; and I have proven the doctrine of the Trinity using 1 John 5:7 (and there are many other passages which speak as clearly). Nowhere though do I see individually assigned life long guardian angels in the Bible. To me, this is a Catholic doctrine, and it's not fully supported by scripture. Guardian angels are certainly a nice thought, and I'd for one like it to be true--but it's just not supported or alluded to expressly enough for me to fully embrace and believe. Take care, -Rob |
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