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1 | Is speaking in tongues for today? | Bible general Archive 1 | Biynah | 47800 | ||
Dear retxar: I wish you would have put it this way before. And I am sorry. I thought you were the person who originally asked the question and you were giving me a holier than thou quip with no real substance. I also apologize to the person who originally did pose the question of whether the spiritual gift of tongues is a valid spiritual gift for today. I'm only a few weeks old on this forum and I thought only the person we answered would respond. Nevertheless you did respond to my answer to this person. And your response was nebulous to the point that I concluded it was a holier than thou response without substance. And while I can take a rebuke with the best of them I at least want to know it is a rebuke and what it is based on. Again, I apologize for a fiery exchange. I like your answer that, ". The relevance of the spiritual gift of tongues, along with all spiritual gifts, to remain until Jesus’s return was clearly and undoubtable answered for me thru the Word alone." But where does the Word give us this answer you speak of? I am operating on 1 Corinthians 13:8 which says "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away." Now when it says whether there be tongues, they shall cease -- some believers say this is a clear indication that this gift was just for the first century church and that it does not exist today. And through my observation I have seen this may be verifiable. Do I want to see the manifestation of these things? Yes, I do! I've searched for them. But I've found phony's who fake it. And God gave us the good sense to recognize the genuine article -- and He expects us to use that good sense. I heard pentecostal preachers proclaim that if anyone said that the false things they were doing were not of the Holy Ghost then that person blasphemed the Holy Ghost and could never be forgiven. This served as an effective shield that struck fear in the heart of those who would dare to question man. But the scripture tells us to test the spirits for they are not all of God. So if you don't use your five senses -- or your abillity to discern -- or test the sprits -- your in trouble. Yet still, where is your scriptural reference that you base your belief that the spiritual gift of tongues shall remain until Jesus's return? I can't say I remember reading this ... or anything that refers to the gifts being around till that time. I did read the this, "I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8). If faith shall be so scarce, will there be spiritual gifts? |
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2 | Is speaking in tongues for today? | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 47948 | ||
Greetings Biynah I’m still at a loss of when and where I responded to any of your post other than those I answered as a direct response to what seemed to be an attempt to stir things up a bit. I know how easy it is to get confused to who you might be talking to here, so maybe you thought I was someone else, as your original response to me had no hint of addressing anything I had said in the post you were responding to. If you check the tree, I’m sure you will see that I am correct. If not, please show me where I have erred. Anyway, if you are a true seeker, I would be happy to show you what the Word revealed to me concerning the relevance of tongues being a valid spiritual gift today. Actually, since the Word does not say that any of the spiritual gifts given the church were temporary, the burden of proof would be on you to scripturally prove otherwise. The 1Co 13:8 reference you gave is a good reference that, when taken in context, is strong scriptural evidence that tongues WILL exist until Jesus’s kingdom is complete (1Co 13:10), and will not cease before that. If one insists that 1Co 13:8 is saying that tongues have already ceased, we must also say that knowledge has ceased. Are we living in the last days? The Word says that in the last days that knowledge would increase, not cease (Dan 12:4). The Word says the same thing about prophesies (Acts 2:17). If you wish to defend a “tongues have ceased position” by saying that “when that which is perfect has come”, found in 1Co 13:10, is referring to the completion of the NT, show me anywhere in the Word that the term “face to face”, as found in 1Co 13:12, ever means written words and someone’s face. Also, do you know everything completely, just as God knows you now? (1Co 13:12 ) I sure don’t! In 1Co 1:7 Paul said to the church at Corinth “Now you have every spiritual gift you need as you eagerly wait for the return of our Lord Jesus Christ.” This scripture is clear that they NEEDED all the spiritual gifts they had until Jesus returned. We know for a fact that one of the gifts that Paul said they had and needed was tongues, so it does not make since that Jesus’s church today would not also need that gift, along with the others, until His return. Regardless of whether we ever agree of not, please remember what 1Co 13 is all about. Let’s not get so caught up in ourselves that we forget how we are to act toward one another. Love never fails! retxar |
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