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1 | Are we really "1 nation under God? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 16739 | ||
PART 2 of 2 ---------------- From the beginning of our nation's history, religion had a place in politics, in education, and in every aspect of American life. Consider the following: * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - George Washington, First President "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." Halley's Bible Handbook (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1927, 1965), p. 18 * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - Abraham Lincoln, 16th President "But for [the Bible] we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare...are to be found portrayed in it." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Roy P. Basler, ed. (New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers Union Press, 1853), p. 542, September 7, 1864 * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - "The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and law... All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible." History of the United States (New Haven: Durrie and Peck, 1832), p. 339, ΒΆ 53 * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - "Blessed is that nation whose God is the Lord." (Psalms 33:12) "Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." (Proverbs 14:34) http://www.BibleTreasureChest.com Ok dougboy777, if you claim that the Founding Fathers were only Deists and not Bible believing Christians, then where are your sources? Please show us your sources and where you obtained your information like I have here. As for me, I AM a Christian and not afraid to say it! Are you a Christian, dougboy777? If not, I pray that you would honestly take the example of the Founding Fathers here and accept Jesus as Lord! Blessings to you, Nolan |
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2 | Are we really "1 nation under God? | Bible general Archive 1 | dougboy777 | 16742 | ||
Okay, i am tired of researching, there is just too much out there, i'm not sure how much it will let me post, but here goes. Thomas Jeferson "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - "Notes on Virginia" . "Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. - letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787 "It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests." - to John Adams, 1803 "Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself." -in his private journal, Feb. 1800 "It is not to be understood that I am with him (Jesus Christ) in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism, he preaches the efficacy of repentence toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it. - to Carey, 1816 "The priests of the superstition, a bloodthirsty race, are as cruel and remorseless as the being whom they represented as the family God of Abraham,of Isaac and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel. That Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in that lore." - to Story, Aug. 4, 1820 "It has been fifty and sixty years since I read the Apocalypse, and then I considered it merely the ravings of a maniac." "The truth is, that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come, when the mystical generation [birth] of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation [birth] of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." - to John Adams, Apr. 11, 1823 . "I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." "We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanatacism and fabrication ." "Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law." -letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814 |
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3 | Are we really "1 nation under God? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 16765 | ||
Hello there dougboy777, Sure, there is plenty to 'slam' the Founding Fathers and "proving" that they do not believe in Christianity, but the fact is: there are also direct quotes that prove that they really were Christians. I'm sure that if someone wanted to prove that I was not a Christian, then they could follow me around and see what I've posted here and twist it in some way possibly so that it would prove that I was not a Christian. In what you have stated, the only "Direct Quotes" that you used were for that of Thomas Jefferson, one whose morality has been brought into question recently in the public spotlight. However, I have also provided a quote from him that "proves" that he was Christian! So which are we to believe? If you are a Christian like I am, then I would say that the evidence for Christianity would outweigh that for an anti-Christian character. Also, the trouble with quoting someone is, is that we do not know in what setting, phase of life, or what the individual was thinking during this colonial time, so it would be impossible to determine conclusively that the individual was indeed a Christian unless they were living here in our midst. But the fact remains that we do have credible written evidence that the majority of the Founding Fathers were Christians. This fact, along with the fact that we have Christian references in our National Anthem, in our government, and all over our nation seems to show me that our nation was indeed a Christian nation at some point of time, and my conclusion is that it indeed began this way! Don't worry, there is no war here to be fought even though I disagree with you. Blessings to you, Nolan |
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