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1 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 14959 | ||
Rev.12:12 "For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time." This is his last fling. The second coming of Christ is not a verb but a noun, it is the Greek word, PAROUSIA. It is an event just like His first coming which took aprox. 33 years. His second parousia starts with the rapture of the church and last thru the final battle of Armageddon. The wrath of God by definition is against the wicked, when “The lord alone will be exalted” Isa.2:27 The wrath of Satan, Antichrist, “exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he take his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God” II Thess. 2:4 Scripture teaches that Antichrist persecution will be aginst the elect of God (Matt.24:21-22), against His saints (Rev. 13:7) against those “who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus”(Rev. 12:17)! Look at (Zeph. 1:17b-18) Believers will never be on the receiving end of God's wrath. CDBJ |
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2 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 15014 | ||
Nolan-- Sorry about Isa.2:27, it must have been a senior moment where I meant to hit the #1 key but hit the 2 instead. It should have been Isa.2:17 where the Lord only will be exalted in that day. As for the believers not going through the wrath of God, Check out I Thess. 1:10. I think I should have been in bed when I was up trying to communicate on the pc; the old noggin doesn't work too well when it's tired. "Lord teach me to know how frail I am" Yours in Christ CDBJ | ||||||
3 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 15016 | ||
Hello CDBJ! That is Ok.. :) We all get tired after countless hours here at the Forum. I couldn't begin to count how many hours that I've sat here in this chair, typing answers or giving notes or questions to the Forum over the past 6 months.. Yes, 1 Thess. 1:10 indeed mentions Jesus saving those whom He loves from the coming wrath! So does this verse underline your views as one who is of the "pre-trib" persuasion? Or are you "mid-trib" like Tim is? You have previously described yourself as "pre-wrath" which could classify yourself as being either 'pre-trib' or 'mid-trib', but certainly not 'post-trib'! :) In fact, I do not believe that the 'post-trib' persuasion has been represented at all here on this Forum. In regards to being "pre-wrath", I believe that would be the classification of almost everyone, and one that is Biblical. Grace to you, Nolan |
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4 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 15023 | ||
When it comes to Eschatology, if believers have to be put in some kind of a pigeon hole, pretrib., midtrib., posttrib. They are overlooking a position, and that is prewrath. We all know that, whatever people stand on, in regard to the last days, that they get it from Scripture. They can't all be right, or can they? We know that God's Word is infallible; yet we appear to see contradictions. Jim says that 1/3 is right, Bill says it's 1/8, so who is right? They are both right, but they don't know how to tie it together until the see the common denominator, which is 24. The prewrath position is that common denominator. I've always been interested as to what will happen in the future ever since I trusted in Jesus about 35 years ago. I use to spend hours pouring over books on Eschatology, but there were always loose ends that didn't fit just right. Whenever I went into the local Christian bookstore I would always look in the prophecy section to see if there was anything that I hadn't read yet. I came across a book called The Rapture Question Answeered plain and simple by Robert VanKampen. On the same shelf was a book called the Pre-wrath Rapture of the Church By Marvin Rosenthal. I hadn't read either one of these, so I bought them both. In reading the first book, my eyes were opened to truth that I had never seen before. This guy found the common denominator, and I didn't want the book to end. Upon reading the second book, I was dumbfounded; He was in perfect agreement with the first book. I learned that VanKampen had a book that went into minute details, called The Sign. Well needless to say I had to get a copy of that and read it. It has over 500 pages with a full color fold out of illustrations. The in-depth study on the book of Revelation is very clear, which in my mind was hard to do. By the time I had finished the book I was no longer pretribulationial, but prewrath. Short of me writing you a 500 page note, prewrath would be hard for me to explain in its entirety. CDBJ |
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5 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 15024 | ||
Hello CDBJ! So according to your "pre-wrath" position, what is the 'common denominator'? Is this something that is commonly upheld or "agreed upon" by all three of the major positions concerning eschatology? Blessings, Nolan |
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6 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 15134 | ||
The 3 major positions only use bits and peaces to try and prove thier point. In the prewrath format, all of the verses of Scripture, that pertain to end time events, are in perfect harmony and there are no contradictions, from the book of Genesis through Revelation; seeing that, was enough to convince me. If all the peaces fit around a peace of puzzle and the color is right, you must have the right peace. I have several friends that have read the book, who believed very firmly in the pretribulation concept, that have become prewrath, in there eschatology. It is hard to dispute something when it all adds up. The so-called imminency of the Christ return is relatively new, as far as church history goes: The prewrath concept was actually taught by Paul. CDBJ |
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