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1 | can salvation be lost? | Rev 2:1 | keliy | 210491 | ||
Hi docandlinda2, Wow, thank you for your question. it inspires me. But I won't get into all that could be discussed, thankfully to most, I presume. Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. I see a problem with your question right off the bat, and I hope you accept my apology for that. What it is, is, that you question one passage in Revelation to one church that is mentioned. Please allow me to share the key that I have learned about Revelation. -The KEY to understanding Revelation is to understand the rest of the Bible. It is not "Revelations" It is the 'Revelation' of Jesus Christ. (not plural, but singular.) There are actually two churches that Jesus did not hold anything against. All other churches, He held Some-thing. But He praised ALL 7 churches. An important note, is He gave praise to all before He brought up any failures. Is that not just like our Lord? No, I do not believe these verses that you point to indicate salvation, or lack of. Salvation is through Jesus, and none other, let no man boast. For ALL our works of righteousness are as much as filthy rags to Him. Consider the Book, The Bible, and its general purpose, without trying to look for any special key ingredient (verse) to gain understanding into what is the Will of God. -Rely on what the Spirit leads you to, and you will rarely be misled (although I can ((without discretion))say it does happen) Remember this: The Entire Bible, -From Genesis to Revelation- is a love letter from God to mankind, (and within is contained) God's entire plan for the salvation of mankind. In the beginning, (in Genesis) there was God, in perfect fellowship with the epitome of His creation, (mankind,) and they existed happily (at least temporarily) in the Paradise of Eden. -Until sin entered through disobedience. Throughout (ALL OF) the following chapters of His wonderful Love Letter, is God's perfect plan for the salvation of mankind. In the end, at the last chapter of Revelation, is once again, God and mankind ,-enjoying one another's existence in paradise, at last, -and for eternity. Amen? When you point to a particular church mentioned, who is to say, at this day and age, which church it is, when it is, who belongs, or whatever? There are many churches in the Body, and many in the church may or may not make the 'cut', Consider the following parable from our Lord: Mat 13:24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. Mat 13:25 "But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. Mat 13:26 "But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. Mat 13:27 "The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' Mat 13:28 "And he said to them, 'An enemy has done this!' The slaves *said to him, 'Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?' Mat 13:29 "But he *said, 'No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. Mat 13:30 'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.'"" The main point here is that there is one true church and that is the Body of Christ. One Body, One Christ, One who is all in all. (I could go on about denominalationism but that would be pointless, because it lacks Fruit. The KEY is Fruit, but Fruit does not lead to Salvation) In your service and His, keliy |
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2 | can salvation be lost? | Rev 2:1 | docandlinda2 | 210500 | ||
Thank you so much for your response. It is so much appreciated and I love the fact that you use council from the Bible. I only mentioned Ephesus, because it was the first church mentioned.I did ask another question prior to this one that I wish you had been able to answer first, because in that one, i did type all of the different things that our Lord asked each of the churches to overcome. I do see where there were the things Jesus liked, then followed up with the things He did not like, but I was trying to keep it as short as I could. I agree that the work of Jesus on the cross, through His death, resurrection and believing, confessing, asking for His forgiveness, repenting and following Him is the only way to heaven. His work and only His work is all sufficient. I have been a Christ follower for many years and have been so blessed that He continues to grow me in His truths, and I am still learning. However having said all of this, I am still not 100 percent sure of my own salvation, as I know that Christ is sufficient, but am trying to find out if these churches who seemed the most faithful, as Smyrna and Philadelphia being the enduring church, it appears they are Christ followers, but when Jesus says to be overcomers, if they are not, will they be eternally separated. I'm assuming they are Christians since they were following Him? What must we do to be an overcomer and if we are not an overcomer, even though we have accepted Christ as Savior, do we lose our salvation? I would love your thoughts on this. thank you again. Your sister in Christ. Linda |
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3 | can salvation be lost? | Rev 2:1 | keliy | 210545 | ||
Sister Linda, Sorry for the delay in my response, but my computer was attacked by a gremlin after sending my last post, which surprisingly vacated while I was at church this a.m. (So, this is a praise report), Thank our Lord. Back to your letter, I am sorry that I was not aware of your previous posts on this subject, but I promise to look at them as well. What is coming to my heart in this, is that this is not so much of a 'Salvation' issue as it is one of 'Christology'. We are in ourselves, completely insufficient to be 'overcomers' But only thru the sufficiency of Christ, who enables us to be 'more than overcomers' I have done a little bit of study on the "Bema Seat Judgement", which is entirely different and separated from the "White Throne Judgement". The way I understand the doctrine, The White Throne Judgement comes from Rev 20:11 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." -and is continued in 20:12 and beyond. But, for Christians, those who are sanctified through Christ, are mentioned in the prayer of Jesus in the garden, in the 17th chapter of John's gospel. Here is part of the high priestly prayer of our Savior to the heavenly Father, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." (and our Lord continues,) "And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth." (and) "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one..." -So believers in Christ are therefore spared the White Throne Judgement. But, what remains, in addition, is what is referred to as the Bema Seat Judgement. I understand this to be like a judge at a fair that hands out ribbons, whether blue, gold or yellow. -This is just my way of conceptualizing, so please do not judge this idea for merit, but the doctrine of the Bema seat Judgement, in my eyes, is thus: Those of us that hold much of what is good within our heart, most likely also have much which is astray. Our Lord Jesus, as Master and Judge, considers both; though He first observes the good, and is ever ready to acknowledge that, He also observes whatever is contrary, and will faithfully rebuke us as well. Now, to sum up, our Creator does not need us to do Anything for Him, period. Nothing. So, our works of righteousness are but filthy rags to Him who is all holy. So then, what is there that IS left for us to do to merit salvation? Nothing. We cannot merit our salvation. This is plainly stated in God's Word. I am feeling that the letters to the Churches in Revelation are a symbolic reference to the Bema Seat Judgement. It is the sufficiency of Christ that all that is necessary for salvation. Our works are not sufficient, but what we allow Him do do Through us is all that matters to Him. Not our works, but His. As we allow Him to do His work through us, we are acting as a good and faithful servant. The Gospel of Mark contains a key verse about the purpose of a servant, I think it says something like, The Son of man came not to be served, but to serve as a ransom for many. What this is saying to me is that the purpose of a servant is to serve, and not be praised for doing his job. But a servant's reward comes when the other person is blessed by his service. -That is what happens when we let Christ work through us, and not try to take control into our own hands. I will cut this off for now, I hope I touched on a few points that helped to shed light on your question. In His Service, and yours. Keliy |
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4 | can salvation be lost? | Rev 2:1 | docandlinda2 | 210546 | ||
Sister Keliy, So perfectly said. I will read and reread this Godly council, that will remind me of who I am in Christ alone. Thank you. The words that you have given to me and perspective in which you have explained, definitely clears a few things up for me. I continue to pray for discernment in God's truths, and thank Him for having friends in this forum, like you that can help lead me to those truths. Your sister in Christ. Linda |
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5 | can salvation be lost? | Rev 2:1 | keliy | 210549 | ||
Hi Sis, Well it was a perfectly honest mistake, but you can call me brother Keliy. ;o) I wondered about using the screen name, but, there are males and females that I have known that go by the name Kelly. So, 'Keliy' in Hebrew did not seem like too far of a stretch. It was a genuine pleasure to answer to your post, it helps me to search God's Word, as well as my own heart. Your blessing has been my reward Your servant in Christ, Keliy |
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6 | can salvation be lost? | Rev 2:1 | docandlinda2 | 210559 | ||
Dear Keliy, How embarrasing, WOW, I can be such a bobblehead, and evidently proved this once again, but even in my embarrassment you made me smile. Thank you once again | ||||||
7 | can salvation be lost? | Rev 2:1 | keliy | 210759 | ||
Linda, I guess this is where we bobbleheads continue to pray for discernement, ;o) as in your prior post. I feel that it pleases the Lord when we pray to Him for discernment, because it proves our reliance on Him by humbly admitting our inferiority, and it also applauds Him for His boundless knowledge, and grace. blessings, keliy ps, Sorry for the delay in answering, my career has shifted into crunch-time mode. |
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