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1 | Text out of context for our feelings? | Rev 21:1 | CDBJ | 157742 | ||
Almost every funeral that I have attend, where a believer has gone home to be with the Lord, the one officiating will say; “Brother or sister, so and so, has gone to a place where there is no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain”. The conditions spoken of in Revelation are brought out to those in attendance at the funeral, as immediate conditions for the deceased. In “my” estimation, the situation is being placed out of setting and it isn’t correct to infer that the one who has just passed away will actually be enjoying "all" of the benefits mentioned in the verse in Revelation 21:4 upon their arrival with the Lord. Rev. 21:1-5 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. [4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Are there any thoughts that would suggest otherwise on the timing of the events taking place in Rev. 21:1-5 The way I see it, verse 4 can’t precede verses 1-3 and the key to the timing is found in the first 3 verses. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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2 | Text out of context for our feelings? | Rev 21:1 | Makarios | 157743 | ||
Greetings CDBJ, I agree with you when you say that Revelation 21:4 can't precede verses 1-3 in the timing of events on the First Day of the Millennial Reign of Christ. The apostle John describes, in succession, the following series of events that occur on the first day of the Millennial Reign of Christ in Rev. 20-21: 1. Satan will be bound and thrown into the abyss (Rev. 20:1-3). 2. The Sheep and Goat Judgment (Rev. 20:4; Matt. 25:31-46). 3. "Beheaded" martyrs will be resurrected (Rev. 20:4). 4. The creation of the new heavens and new earth (Rev. 21:1). 5. The new Jerusalem will come down from heaven to earth over Mount Zion (Rev. 21:2). The creation of a new heavens and a new earth is spoken of by Isaiah (Isaiah 65:17,18) and by Peter (2 Peter 3:13) as well as John in Revelation (21:1-4). Why will the Lord create a new heavens and a new earth? Because the earth will be in a state of total devastation by fire (2 Peter 3:7,10; Zeph. 1:18; Matt. 13:39-40; Rev. 6:16-17). And it is in this setting, that the time in which all "creation waits eagerly" (Rom. 8:19), or "the regeneration" (Matt. 19:28, Acts 3:21) happens, and Christ Himself will dwell with us (Rev. 21:3), and He will wipe away every tear from our eyes, and the old order of things will have passed away. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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3 | Text out of context for our feelings? | Rev 21:1 | CDBJ | 157747 | ||
Greetings Makarios, Would it be safe to assume, considering the content in Rev. 20:4, that there will possibly be some anguish in heaven before such time as the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. Verses to consider, Rev. 6:9-10 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: [10] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? There are other verses that precede the action mentioned in Rev.20 by believers that are no longer mortal. 2 Cor. 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 1 Cor. 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. I included the last three verses to point out the word suffer and the fact that this suffering happens to those that are on the other side of mortality. I think these verses point out the misconstrued idea that just because we are in the presence of the Lord. Paul stated, 2 Cor. 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. In the present with the Lord doesn’t mean that Rev. 20:4 is in effect yet at physical death of a believer. Have a great day, CDBJ |
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4 | Text out of context for our feelings? | Rev 21:1 | Makarios | 157819 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! Yes, I would say that it is also safe to assume that there is anguish in heaven before the appearance of the new heavens and new earth as spoken of in Rev. 21:1. The source of this anguish, as felt in heaven, is this current world and its desires (1 Cor. 7:31; 1 John 2:17), the tribulation, and the wrath of God, as well as what has already taken place (Hebrews 11; Rev. 6:9-10) in this world, what is taking place in this world (Acts 11:19), and what will take place, as witnessed by the great cloud of witnesses in heaven (Hebrews 12:1; Rev. 7:9,10). I believe that when believers die, we go to be with the Lord. We will be secure with the Lord, but that does not mean that heaven will be an entirely blissful place without any anxiety, since we also have to look forward to judgment (1 Cor. 3:13-15; 2 Cor. 5:10) based on what we have done after we have been saved. We know that war has happened in heaven before (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:12-19; Luke 10:18) and will happen again (Rev. 12:7; 19:11). However, being in heaven is much more desirable than being on earth (Psalm 73:25; 1 Corinthians 2:9-10; 2 Corinthians 5:2), and being with the Lord above all! (2 Corinthians 5:6) But I do not believe that the completely blissful and worshipful experience of Rev. 21:4 (and our emotional response) will not happen until the events of the Day of the Lord have taken place. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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