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1 | Will sin enter heaven? | Rev 21:17 | BradK | 140517 | ||
Hi Jeff, I thought I answered the question:-) Brother, if I'm understanding you correctly, I'd have to take serious issue on this matter. You say "Jesus kept the law perfectly to show humanity the the law can be kept. The devil is very crafty because many of God's dear people are being led away by these errors that tell us "there is none righteous" or "I will never stop sinning" or "I sin every day". Is it a sin to be tempted?" The "law" was given to lead us to CHRIST ( Gal.3:24), not for us to keep it! What you state is in plain contradiction to scripture! Please provide the pertinent scriptures to back up this assertion. Where does scripture tell us that we will "stop sinning", and where does it tell us that "the law can be kept (by us)?" Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | Will sin enter heaven? | Rev 21:17 | Jeff W | 140713 | ||
Hello, First of all I would like to biblically define what sin is. 1 John 3:4 tells us: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth the law, for sin is the transgression of the law." I only use KJV. If sin is the transgression of the law, well the first question would be which law? In 2 John 5-6 we read that it was the commandment that we have heard from the beginning. . . Also we are told in Revelation, the last book, to keep the commandments of GOD. Rev. 14:12 and 12:17 and 22:14. We are to obey the law, Jesus stated "If you love me keep my commandments" John 14:15 Jesus also tells us in Matthew 19:18 to obey the commandments. James equates the commandments with the royal law in chapter 2:8-12 he also calls it the law of liberty. I could quote verses like these all night. To say that we are not to obey the law is doing what Jesus tells us about in Matthew 5:19. You might want to really pray about whether or not to obey God or man, and whoever tells you wou do not have to obey God I would run away from that person or commentary, and snuggle up to the Word of God. I have given you a couple of verses that tell us we have to obey the commandments. Please show me one that tells us we do not have to. God Bless you Jeff W |
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3 | Will sin enter heaven? | Rev 21:17 | BradK | 140726 | ||
Hi Jeff, You never really answered my question. I'm not one to play spiritual ping-pong either, so I'll leave this discussion on this point:-) Also, in all honesty, it comes across as condescending to say "You might want to really pray about whether or not to obey God or man..." It is further, very assumptive and in assumes facts not in evidence! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | Will sin enter heaven? | Rev 21:17 | Jeff W | 140798 | ||
Hello, Your question was; you wanted me to give you scripture that tells us that we must obey. I believe I gave you plenty of refernces of the hundreds there are that tell us we must obey God. I do not know what you mean by spiritual ping pong, but the doctrinal principles involved in this issue are a matter of salvation or not. I asked you to send me one verse that tells us we do not have to obey God. Am I missing something here? BTW I love to share Jesus with all who desire to be teachable. I want to learn just as much as anyone else who has a great desire for truth. We all should benefit from each others knowledge, and not lean on pre-conceived ideas that we have been raised our whole Christian life with. The Word of God is limitless and we can let the Holy Spirit teach it to us if we would let Him. God Bless you Jeff W |
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5 | Will sin enter heaven? | Rev 21:17 | Nic J Zwarts | 140803 | ||
Hi, Seems to me you do not understand your own question Jeff, therefore you cannot fathom yhe answers given by Brad. Jesus gives us the direct order to obey His COMMANDMENTS. What are they? First of all, you must understand that Jesus never came to earth to nulify the Law, but to fulfil it. So, all those commandments as given to Israel, via Moses and the prophets are still valid and must be kept by evry one saying he/she is a christian. However, with Jesus'coming to earth, He fulfilled the law in that we do not have to sacrfice animals any longer for our salvation. The only sacrifice required is total belief. Once you understand this, the Holy Spirrit is able to guide you further into faith and the realm of serving God, of becoming an heir together with Jesus. Please read Deut 28. This explains the good that God has in store for you if you keep His commandments. It also explains what can happen if you do not. Read in conjunction with Mathews. And pray all the time you read these scriptures, so the Holy Spirit open your mind and allow you to see the beautiful promises of God. Love you. God Bless Nic Zwarts |
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6 | Will sin enter heaven? | Rev 21:17 | BradK | 140821 | ||
Hi Nic, Thanks for the initial support:-) By the way, welcome to the Forum. If I might offer a couple quick comments to see if I'm understanding you. I would see our "sacrifice as the "obedience of faith" (Rom.1:5). 1. Romans 10:4 says,"...Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone whos belives". So, our only "righteous" standing before Him is to be in Christ, The "law" could not do this as "it was weak through the flesh" (Rom. 8:3) I think Paul sums it up in Gal. 5:14 saying, "For ALL the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself'". 2. I see Deut. 28 as specifically addressed to Israel, not the Body of Christ. The context clearly bears this out. These cautions were to bring Israel to repentence (30:2-3). If we are to take the blessings and curses given to Israel, then what of Eph.1:3? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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7 | Will sin enter heaven? | Rev 21:17 | Nic J Zwarts | 141141 | ||
Hi Brad, Sorry I only reply now, but I did not have access to the forum . 1. Yes, You are quite right with Gal 5:14. Also on Romans. But beware: how did you come to righteousness? By believing. What are you believing? You should believe that Jesus Christ was sent to earth by the Father to relieve men of the burden of sin to which all men were condemned by the sin of the first man (Genesis 2 etc). God could not find anyone worthy to fulfill this roll and requested His Son to be the ultimate sacrifice. The law as given to Israel was an attempt to bring them closer to God by sacrifice of animals (bloodshed). Eventually, with all the additional meaningless laws added on by priests, it was impossible to keep the law. If you follow Israels' history throughout the Bible, you will also come to realise that it was dificult, sometimes impossible, for them to keep the law. So, the ultimate sacrifice (bloodshed). It was essentially meant for Israel. See the passage on the Sunamite woman and Jesus. But, salvation was made possible for everybody by Jesus' sacrifice. (Mat 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2 and many more). See also the passage where Peter was praying on the roof and commanded to eat that which was unclean: this was an instruction to also administer the saving grace to others - not only Israel. Then Paul, a learned man (maybe a proffesor in theology and the law?) was called to witness and bring the opportunity of salvation to everybody. But you still have to understand that the law was not abolished by Jesus' sacrifice. He himself says He came to fulfill the law. And to truly live in Him (John 15:7) you have to keep His commandments - the biggest being "Love thy neighbor". It does not tell you to ignore any of the other commandments that make up the law. Or do you see it that you are now permitted to comit muder (Prohibited by law) because you are a "christian"; or covet your nieghbour's possesions? You see, Christ came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. you are still under the law. But you need not bring sacrifices of animals. That sacrifice was made for you. Howeever, you need to live in Christ like His word lives in you (John 15). To attain this, you have to eat the bread of Life - Christ's words. And you have to believe like a child does. If you tell your child something that makes sense to him in his environment, he believes you uncondittionally. That it what is required from us as well. Once you understand this, the Holy Spirit will open scripture for you to draw you even closer to the Vine. Beware, do not try and interpret scripture yourself without the Holy Spirit. This may lead to madness. 2. You quoted Eph 1:3. Now, if you read verses 3 to 9, you will see that, through salvation we became heirs with Israel to all the good that God has in store for His children. So Deut 28 applies to us as well. So does Jer 33:29 where God says that He enjoys to do good unto us. All you have to do is accept God's grace and start living a life that declares you are a child of God. Please note: you do not have to declare it yourself verbally, YOUR LIFE HAS TO!!! Blessed by Grace Nic Zwarts |
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8 | Will sin enter heaven? | Rev 21:17 | BradK | 141154 | ||
Hi Nic, Thanks for your response. Let me see if I can clarify where I'm coming from on these 2 points. 1. Our righteousness is found by faith and being in Him ( 1 Cor. 1:30). As far as the law, we can look at Romans 7, particularly 7:4, where the claims of the law were met when Paul was put to death in the Person of a Substititute. God's law still stands in all its righteousness, but Paul's (and our) relationship to it has changed. He is no longer under its' dominion and condemnation. For the believer, our relation has been so changed through the death and resurrection of Christ that the Law is no longer our master. (Gal. 3:24) Remember, the law in not of faith- Gal 3:12. 2. In Ephesians 3, I see nothing about Israel. We are "blessed with all the spiritual blessings in Christ"- something Israel never had! Israel was given the land, but their blessing was predicated upon their obedience- Deut. 28:1ff. How is the church in view here? It's not. I just don't see Deut 28 as being directly toward us- again the context is very clear. There are principles there for sure- obedience brings blessing, disobedience brings discipline! The difference is the believers POSITION is "in the heavenlies in Christ", "blessed with ALL"- not some of "the SPIRITUAL blessings"! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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