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1 | Rapture | Rev 20:1 | Beja | 214114 | ||
crk, There might be more to think about than just rev 3:9-10. In fact, I find pretrib rapture very hard to argue in light of a couple passages. 1 Thess 4:13-18 make it plainly clear that the dead in Christ will rise(the ressurection) before the rapture. Second when we turn to Revelations 20:4,5 we see that in the FIRST ressurection are those who died for refusing to take the mark of the beast. Now, I feel confident that you yourself believe the mark of the beast happens during the tribulation. So lets put this together, the rapture will not happen until after the first ressurection. The first ressurection will not happen until after the mark of the beast, and the mark of the beast will not happen until during the tribulation. As for Revelations 3:9-10, I'd like to suggest to you that a ratpure is not God's only way of keeping people from evil. Check out Isaiah 57:1 as an example. You just might be misunderstanding God's intentions. In Love, Beja |
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2 | Rapture | Rev 20:1 | Val | 214115 | ||
Dear Beja, We can lovingly discuss why some people look forward to a rapture by understanding the scriptures that provide that foundation. A commentary at Preceptaustin that uses scripture to address the “first resurrection” is provided by Dr. Grant Richison. "This is the first resurrection". The New Testament uses the word “resurrection” 40 times. It always refers to physical, bodily resurrection except in Luke 2:34. The “first resurrection” is not the first chronological resurrection because Christ was the first to rise from the dead. “Many” rose from the dead when Christ rose (Matthew 27:52-53). The “first” resurrection is in contrast to the “last” resurrection (20:12-13). The word “first” carries the idea of “before.” All the righteous dead are raised before the resurrection of the wicked dead at the end of the 1000 years. The resurrection of the righteous comes in phases (1 Corinthians 15:23). Christ rose first, then the “many,” then the church, then the Tribulation saints and finally the Old Testament saints (Isaiah 26:19-21; Ezekiel 37:12-14; Daniel 12:2-3). – Dr. Grant C. Richison. For a complete reading go to Preceptaustin.org and follow the link from Revelation to Dr. Richison. Sincerely, Val |
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3 | Rapture | Rev 20:1 | Beja | 214116 | ||
Val, I'll certainly try to visit that link soon, probably won't be today with all the church things. However, I have heard the arguement before about the first ressurection being in phases, and right now all I can say is it seems completely ad hoc. Meaning that there is no reason anybody would believe this from scripture except for the fact that the pre trib view is sunk without it. Therefore if you want to believe pretrib you must buy into this idea also. But perhaps this link will provide a better arguement for it than I've heard in the past. I'll look at it and let you know. As I've always said, if the pre-trib stance could provide a good arguement I'd certainly like to believe them! Who would want to believe we'd be here for that? But I will go look at it with as much of an open mind as possible as soon as I have oportunity. In Love, Beja |
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