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1 | Small "s" or not? | 1 John 3:24 | Ray | 16537 | ||
I believe that 1 John 3:24 is better understood when one places the "Spirit" in lower case. Thus, I would also put 1 John 4:13 in lower case for "given us of His spirit." While considering this, I would like people to see a comparison of Matthew 12:28 and Luke 11:20. Does anyone care to comment? Thanks. |
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2 | Small "s" or not? | 1 John 3:24 | Bill Mc | 16547 | ||
Sure, Ray, I'll bite ;) I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at with this question. But if you're saying that there is a difference between the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) and the Spirit of Christ, I would say that my answer is that they are now forever joined. We know that Jesus, while on earth, had the Holy Spirt (the Spirit of God) in Him. However, being fully human also, He had a human spirit. Fortunately for us, His human spirit was not from Adam's lineage for it was not dead to God. It was what Paul would call 'alive to God.' He had a union with God's Spirit until He was made sin on our behalf on the cross. As the sins of the whole world were placed upon our Savior, the Spirit of God departed from Him (sorry, no book, chapter, or verse for this - it is my opinion) and He cried out, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me" - Matt 27:46. Later, as He chose the moment to die, He yielded up His human spirit - Matt 27:50. When God raised Christ from the dead by the power of the Spirit of God, Rom 8:11, Christ human spirit was forever joined to the Holy Spirit. Now, the Spirit of Christ and the Holy Spirit/Spirit of God are forever unitied and can be used interchangeably. In fact, Romans 8:9 does so: However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. Likewise, when we become believers, our human spirits are united with God's Spirit/the Holy Spirit/Christ's Spirit: 1 Cor 6:17 But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. There's my take. If you really want to discuss capitalization, I'm probably not the one to do so with as I have no background in how the translators chose when to capitalize and when not to. But, the doctrines of the Holy Spirit rest upon the functions of the Spirit, not whether the word is capitalized or not. Hope this answers your question. In Christ (and His Spirit), Bill Mc |
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3 | Small "s" or not? | 1 John 3:24 | Ray | 16558 | ||
Hi Bill Mc, Thank you for responding to me. I was not saying by this question that there is a difference between the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. Basically, I'm introducing the idea that there is "spirit of holiness" as well as the Holy Spirit. Let me get back to that after I've agreed more and questioned some about your post to me. You might rethink your opinion about the Spirit of God leaving Him for it is just that righteous Spirit in us that will give life to our mortal bodies after we die. Romans 8:10 I think that He cried out in Matthew because He was forsaken as a Man. "This Man is calling for Elijah." Matthew 27:47 Now as far as 1John 3:24-4:3, I believe that the passage is speaking about the spirit that we receive, the spirits that we are to test, that we are to use to confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, and also the spirit of the antichrist. I also believe that Matthew 12:28 and Luke 11:20 give credence to the operation of a spiritual power as well as the Person. In Christ (and His spirit) Ray |
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4 | Small "s" or not? | 1 John 3:24 | Bill Mc | 16570 | ||
Ray, I agree. The word 'spirit' has many different meanings in the Bible. It can mean an entity, an attitude, a demon, the essence of something, etc. I think there are about 11 different meanings to it in the NT alone. That is why we must look at the context for the meaning. My opinion on the Spirit of God leaving Christ still 'holds water.' As I said in my post, I believe that the Spirit of God was rejoined permanently to Christ's human spirit at the resurrection and they are now one. And, Ray, that Spirit does not give life to our mortal bodies AFTER we die. That is a contradiction. Our bodies, after we die, will be IMMORTAL ones, not mortal. That is the whole point that Paul is trying to make. The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead will also give eternal life to your MORTAL bodies, here and now. God's Spirit gives eternal life, indeed it is the source: John 6:63 - It is the Spirit who gives life. He does this in the here and now when we come to Christ: Rom 6:11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but ALIVE to God in Christ Jesus. Rom 8:10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet THE SPIRIT IS ALIVE (present tense) because of righteousness. Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, MADE us ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved). Col 2:13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He MADE YOU ALIVE together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions. Eternal life (spiritual life) does not start when we die. It starts the minute you put faith and trust in Christ and He dwells in you through the Holy Spirit. You also seem to be implying (maybe I'm reading your post wrong) that the Holy Spirit/the Spirit of God/the Spirit of Christ is NOT part of the Trinity i.e. that He is not God. If that is what you are implying then we need to settle that first before we discuss any 'spiritual power.' In Christ (and His Spirit), Bill Mc |
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5 | Small "s" or not? | 1 John 3:24 | Ray | 16843 | ||
Hi Bill Mc, I definitely believe that the Holy Spirit is a Person of the triune God. Let me first go to Rom 8:10 where in your last post for emphasis wrote "THE SPIRIT IS ALIVE (present tense) because of righteousnness." The NKJ for that verse capitalizes Spirit and the NASB has it in lower case. The way you wrote it I don't know what your choice would be. I think that that is important in order to see whose righteousness is being spoken of, and what Spirit has the power. I agree with you that we have eternal life now, from the minute we put our faith and trust in Christ. Can you give me a reference verse for "He dwells in you through the Holy Spirit?" I look forward to talking more with you. I'm sorry that I took so long in answering you here. |
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