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1 | New Covenant beginning | Heb 8:13 | Movingon | 240009 | ||
Why do we call Matt,Mk. Lk. Jo. New Testament(Covenant)? | ||||||
2 | New Covenant beginning | Heb 8:13 | Movingon | 240061 | ||
This answer is to DocTrinsograce about his answer to my post about the division between the Old and New Covenant. New Covenant beginning Note: "Hi, movingon... We are not a forum created for debate, or the promulgation of unusual or aberrant teachings. Our gracious host, the Lockman Foundation, has us agree specifically to these things in the Terms of Use (TOU). I understand that you want to pedal your books -- although that is also eschewed in the TOU. Ours is necessarily an ecumenical association of Christendom. It is novel to hear from the fringe from time to time, but you might be received in a better light in some of the other forums in which you have participated. There, perhaps, the focus is more on novelty that on Scripture alone. In Him, Doc" You said: “In hermeneutics we have something called the principle of previous mention. When the same writer uses the same word in the same way he means the same thing. As stated it is one of those things that sounds a bit pedantic; but without it, rational communication would be impossible.” Answering the Doctor You say we are not a forum created for debate. According to the dictionary a forum is: (1) "…a meeting at which a subject can be discussed. (2) "…a place or opportunity for discussing a subject. “I thought that was what we were doing. The subject I asked about was the division of the Old and New Covenant and showed the plain statements by Paul in the Hebrews and Galatians epistle where the present division is incorrect and you challenged me with the remark: “In hermeneutics we have something called the principle of previous mention…” You or no one else can use theological principles or anything else to deny what is plainly written in the Scriptures. Then you accuse me of chopping up the gospels and placing part of them after Malachi and the rest before Acts. Those were your words not mine. You then accuse me of being silly for your invention that you accuse me of. Ad to that, you say perhaps I should go where: “…perhaps, the focus is more on novelty than on Scripture alone.” It seems to me that you are the one being novel. Ad to the above the accusation that I want to pedal my books. You say: “…I understand that you want to pedal your books.” Well Doc, that hurt. Even though there isn’t a word of truth in your remark I can quickly say: I would be more than happy to give anything I have written to anyone who would care to read them without any charge anytime. If that wasn’t enough you then say I am novel and on the fringe. I can imagine some of the things you accuse me of were common in the days of the Reformers because they came to undersanding the Scriptures as meaning what they literally said. Perhaps they became weary of theological principles. Doc I would very much like to discuss and share my findings in Scripture without any heated debate with you or anyone on the forum. I understand your concern with my conclusions. What I do not understand is you slandering behavior when I said nothing to deserve it. I notice your contribution in helping others to understanding many things with your vast knowledge of Scripture and for that I am thankful. And if you don’t manage to get me dismissed from the Forum, perhaps I can also help some and I am certainly not above learning from you or anyone else. The only thing I expect from you is treatment as a brother in Christ who has also studied many years and think I also have somewhat to offer. Yet you have slandered me unmercifully when I give you plain and easy to understand Scriptures by anyone to verify my conclusions which you rejected outright. If I have done anything other than be honest and try to defend myself, then I ask your forgiveness. May the Lord Judge between us. The Lord told some folks one day: “...I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned (Matt. 12:36-37). May the Lord bless you and your ministry in His Word Doc. In His grace movingon |
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3 | New Covenant beginning | Heb 8:13 | Movingon | 240178 | ||
Doc says: “Despite the Campbellism advertising, there is a big problem here; i.e., making the Sermon on the Mount -- and, apparently, all the other places Christ mandates forgiveness -- as only applying to the Jews.” I do see there is a big problem here. You don’t seem to have a problem with Christ’s teaching the way to eternal life is through keeping the commandments by talking about the gospels being an integral part of the New Covenant. Of course the Lord said many things that applies to any and all but again, you have completely missed the distinction between an earthly kingdom under the law of commandments and all the statutes and judgments that the Lord was offering, and the present church whose citizenship is already in heaven. Either you misunderstood or just rejected what I said. In Matt. 5:3-10 if we are to believe those things applies to everyone then we do have trouble. If you believe us not forgiving others sins will result in God not forgiving ours, does that mean we will be lost? All I am trying to do is to cut things clean and make sharp distinctions of what the Old and New Covenants teach. And eliminate confusion caused when you cannot tell the difference between the Old Covenant Mosaic laws and the present dispensation of grace. Do you not understand what Paul said of the Old Covenant? I will quote it for you in case you missed it. “…THE LETTER KILLS, but the Spirit gives life. But if THE MINISTRY OF DEATH, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the MINISTRY OF THE SPIRIT not be more glorious? For if the MINISTRY OF CONDEMNATION had glory, the MINISTRY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS exceeds much more in glory” (2 Cor. 6-9). Look what Paul said concerning the Old Mosaic Covenant of commandments which the gospels are part of that you are defending. “…having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross” Col. 2:14). “…if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain” (Gal. 2:21). “…Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes” (Rom. 10:4). I am writing this because Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. so the unlearned can understand what the Scriptures plainly say without all the theological jargon of theologians who brought all the problems to the church of Christ for the last two millennia. And yes, paved the road to a thousand years of the dark ages for the whole world. You are poisoning the waters of truth by your insistence that we are to use the Lord’s teaching of things under the Mosaic laws that is contrary Paul’s teaching of grace. Again, my point was, the Lord was speaking to the Jews about life in an earthly kingdom and under the Mosaic laws which we are not. If anyone does not make that distinction then confusion cannot and will not be avoided and it seems that distinction has completely escaped you. Did you ever notice when the Lord spoke of one entering the kingdom it was always based on their works rather than their faith. I know you have read the parables of the wheat and tares, sheep and goats and Rev. 2-3 where we see the same thing where over and over; “…he who overcomes.” Whereas, we have already overcome and stand in Christ and without spot or blemish. I know you understand Doc that salvation is through our faith, yet you mix law and grace constantly in the use of what is erroneously called the gospels without distinction between the fact that there was a gospel for the Jews, and, a gospel for the Gentiles which is the present assembly of Christ (Gal. 2:2, 7-9). Of our security in Christ Paul said: “…also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee” (2 Cor. 1:22). “In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,…” (Eph. 1:13). “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption” (Eph. 4:30). “Israel was under the Law where it is said: “…the soul who sins shall die…” (Eze. 18:4, 20). Paul said: “…wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. ” (Rom. 6:23). Doc I love you in Christ when I take issue with you when all I am trying to do is eliminate confusion in the Body of Christ that your type of Theological philosophy on the Old Covenant creates. In His grace Movingon |
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