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1 | Ten Commandments or Nine in force? | Heb 8:13 | disciplerami | 77678 | ||
Here are passages that refer to the law of Christ. "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed," James 1:25. AND "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty, verse" James 2:12 (also see Romans 8:1, law of the Spirit) AND "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city, Revelation 22:14." These are names for the New Covenant or Testament through Christ blood. You err in not making a distinction between the Old Law and the New Law. The Old was done away with and the New established (Heb. 8:6,7,13; 9:15-17). The Old Law was hostile to us because it pointed out sin but couldn't justify (Heb 10:4). The cross of Christ took it out of the way. "Behold he takes away the first to establish the second" (Heb 10:9). The Second was establish at the death of the Testator, Jesus (Heb 9:15-17). He did this at the cross, through the offering of His body (Col 2:14; Eph 2:15). Other passages about the being obedient to the commandments of God have to be considered in context. If the quote comes before the Cross, then it most likely relates to keeping the Mosaic Law. But if it is stated after the Cross, then it relates to obedience to Christ, not Moses. The passages you refer to also relate to the "law of the Spirit" that Paul mentions in Romans 8:1ff. These all refer to the New Covenant. In contrast, the Old Law of Moses was done away with because it was inferior. Yes, it was "holy, righteous and good", but it served it's purpose. But what it could not do was justify. As Paul says, it could not make holy, it could not "weak as it was through the flesh." The Law required perfection. The James 2:10 passage and Galatians 5:3 show why we don't want to turn back to the Old Law. I know some try to justify following part of the Law and discarding the other; but there is no justification for doing only part of the Law. We are freed from the Law written on tablets of stones: "2 Cor 3:7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10 For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it." What Law is he talking about? Paul is even more specific in the Roman letter. "Rom 7:5 For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter. 7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET." To answer the last question people usually have when the 10 Commandments are shown to be done away with, "No, that doesn't mean you can murder, commit adultery, or worship idols." The New Testament in Christ covers such things. The references to the "law of the Spirit", "law of liberty", and "the perfect law" DO NOT refer to the Mosaic Law: they are the Law of Christ established at the Cross. The fundamental principle for salvation still remains: by grace through faith. But the Old Law was not perfect (Heb.8:7), so God established the New. Good day. Disciplerami |
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2 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Aixen7z4 | 135397 | ||
A short, sweet, poignant statement was made by one Radioman2, #77737, on 03-09-03, that everyone in the church should read and ponder. It says that the Law of Moses consisted of hundreds of commandments, not just ten. Do we know why there is so much focus on ten of the commandments? Everyone who uses the term Ten Commandments or who lifts up a plaque with that Decalogue on it, should think about it. That includes me. I have one on the wall in my office. The question is, Why ten? And I am not interested in knowing the spiritual significance of the number. I would like to know why those ten are special, above the other hundreds that are recorded. I do not know if it is true that there are 613. I did not take the time to count them. But I am certain there are more than ten. When Jesus was asked which is the greatest commandment (Matthew 22) he quoted two. What is interesting to me is that the second one he quoted is not one of the ten. The command to love our neighbor is not one of the Ten Commandments. And yet someone reading here is upset because they think this writer is minimizing or seeking to eliminate that commandment. It is because we have giving so much prominence to the ten. I do not know what the Ten Commandments are supposed to represent. They are certainly not all that the Jews were supposed to keep. The command to love the neighbor is not in Exodus 20 and it is not in Deuteronomy 6. If someone points out that it is in one or both of those places I will come back red-faced and apologize for missing it. As far as I know that commandment is recorded in Leviticus 19. It is not a part of the Ten Commandments, and yet Jesus said it is one of the greatest. Leviticus also contains many other commandments that I did not take the time to count. And yet I hear Jesus saying that those two commandments encapsulate all of the Law. Paul seems to go a step further when he says (Romans 13) that there is only one commandment. But I do not think he is going a step further. The two go together. If we love God, then we keep his commandment. And his commandment is that we love one another. Something within us protests that we can love God and not love our brother, but God says no. If you have done it to your brother you have done it to God. I suspect that it goes both ways, that hating your brother is hating God, but we should not digress to go into that here. Some of us make such a fuss about keeping the Sabbath and what meats to eat, and yet we do not take time or care to love. We talk about the Ten Commandments and miss the one. Think about your own feelings now. Can you answer the question with love in your heart. Then tell us why there has been such a focus on ten of the commandments, and not the six hundred, and not the two, or the one. I see that the Bible itself mentions the Ten Commandments only three times. The first time was when God gave them. The other two times it refers to the time that he gave them. I say that God might have said just three things. 1. I love you (And I have shown it in so many ways). 2. I want you to love me (And show it by trusting me and obeying me). 3. I want you to love one another (Do nice things for one another). But we have gotten focused on the letter and lost sight of his heart. It seems to me that God put forth Ten Commandments only as a representative sample, to keep our attention. But there is much more, and it goes much deeper. But what do you say? |
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3 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Reighnskye | 135421 | ||
Aixen7z4, If we truly respect the Ten Commandments, as per the placard on the wall, then we must also respect the penalties that were in force, in the context that they were given. In fact, it would be more convincing to me if you also put a placard on your wall, that referenced the death penalty by verse, for each and every violation of these commandments. This list of biblical penalties would adjoin each of the Ten Commandments. For example: Exodus 20 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. 12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you. (NAS95) Numbers 15 32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; 34 and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." 36 So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the LORD had commanded Moses. (NAS95) Or: Exodus 20 12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you. (NAS95) Deuteronomy 21 18 "If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, 19 then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. 20 "They shall say to the elders of his city, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.' 21 "Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel will hear of it and fear. (NAS95) - If we truly respect the Ten Commandments, then should we not also respect the penalties that they involve, in the context that they were given? And if we strive to keep the Ten Commandments today, then shouldn't we also strive to enforce the penalties for breaking them on others? - Incidentally, here are a couple of other laws that people often miss. Perhaps these can be added to the placard on the wall: Leviticus 20 13 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. (NAS95) Leviticus 20 27 'Now a man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones, their bloodguiltiness is upon them.'" (NAS95) Again, if we truly respect the Law of Moses, will we not also strive to enforce it's penalties when they are violated? - Uumm....what were those other two commandments that you had mentioned? I forget now. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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4 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | kalos | 135428 | ||
Reighnskye: You ask: "And if we strive to keep the Ten Commandments today, then shouldn't we also strive to enforce the penalties for breaking them on others?" My question for you is: Where does New Testament Scripture give the church the authority to enforce the penalties for breaking the Ten Commandments? Surely you are not suggesting that the local church should stone offenders or put them to death in other ways, are you? Grace to you, Kalos |
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5 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Reighnskye | 135429 | ||
Kalos, You asked: 1. "Where does New Testament Scripture give the church the authority to enforce the penalties for breaking the Ten Commandments?" That's precisely my point. It doesn't. (Unless, maybe during Christ's millennial kingdom.) 2. "Surely you are not suggesting that the local church should stone offenders or put them to death in other ways, are you?" Yes, that is what I am suggesting. Why do I suggest that? Because that's what the Law of Moses says to do. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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6 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Morant61 | 135434 | ||
Greetings Reighnskye! Concerning your suggestion about 'enforcing' the 10 commandments, why do you think that no New Testament passage advocates or commands such a practice? How would you interpret the account in John 8 of the woman caught in adultery? Jesus did not advocate stoning her! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Reighnskye | 135442 | ||
Tim, If the Law of Moses (as represented by the Ten Commandments) cannot be enforced today with full death penalties on other church members, then why is it still in the church? What practical good is abiding by the law, if you can't enforce it when it's violated? For example, - Exodus 20 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. 12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you. (NAS95) Numbers 15 32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; 34 and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." 36 So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the LORD had commanded Moses. (NAS95) - As for Jesus not wanting to stone the woman caught in the act of adultery, Jesus was promoting forgiveness towards law offenders. After all, He was a lawbreaker himself, as per the following verse references: Matthew 12 1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath." (NAS95) Mark 2 23 And it happened that He was passing through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples began to make their way along while picking the heads of grain. 24 The Pharisees were saying to Him, "Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?" (NAS95) Luke 6 1 Now it happened that He was passing through some grainfields on a Sabbath; and His disciples were picking the heads of grain, rubbing them in their hands, and eating the grain. 2 But some of the Pharisees said, "Why do you do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?" (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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8 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Morant61 | 135452 | ||
Greetings Reighnskye! So, are you saying that we should do something that Jesus wouldn't do? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Reighnskye | 135458 | ||
Tim, Here are two scripture units where Jesus enforces the Law of Moses. Perhaps the account of the woman caught in adultery was an isolated incident: Matthew 25 31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. 34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' 41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.' 44 "Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?' 45 "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (NAS95) Revelation 19 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. 13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. 15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. 16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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10 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Morant61 | 135460 | ||
Greetings Reighnskye! Where do these passage say anything about the Law of Moses? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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11 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Reighnskye | 135463 | ||
Tim, You ask: "Where do these passage say anything about the Law of Moses?" Well, what other law might they be referring to, other than the Law of Moses? There's a judgment seat and blood and eternal condemnation and all that. Is there some other law that comes to mind? - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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12 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Morant61 | 135473 | ||
Greetings Reighnskye! I am a real stickler when it comes to statements made about what the Bible 'says'. Thus, if you state that these passage are evidence of others being judged based upon the covenant with Israel, then the passage must actually say that somewhere! :-) Otherwise, it is just speculation. All we know from these passages is that God told Israel to destroy certain nations. The basis of His decision is not mentioned in these two passages. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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13 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Reighnskye | 135475 | ||
Tim, You stated: 1. "I am a real stickler when it comes to statements made about what the Bible 'says'. Thus, if you state that these passage are evidence of others being judged based upon the covenant with Israel, then the passage must actually say that somewhere! :-)" Uumm....I never ever stated anything about a covenant. You are the one who brought up "covenant", not I. You seem to be putting words in my mouth. How are you relating covenant with the Law of Moses? Since when does the enforcement of the Law of Moses mandate covenant? 2. "Otherwise, it is just speculation. All we know from these passages is that God told Israel to destroy certain nations. The basis of His decision is not mentioned in these two passages." However, if we take a look at the greater context of scripture, the basis of His decision can be found earlier on. Here is the original basis for God's destruction of ungodly nations. Genesis 12 1 Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you; 2 And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; 3 And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." (NAS95) And here is Christ's divine rulership over the nation of Israel. Matthew 19 27 Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?" 28 And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life. (NAS95) And here is Christ again in that same judgment seat. Matthew 25 31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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14 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Morant61 | 135478 | ||
Greetings Reighnskye! Sorry about that, I got mixed up on the posts. On one of your posts you were talking about the Law of Moses and on the other one you were talking about the convenant being enforced on those who were not a party to it. :-) Gen. 12 shows that nations were judged based upon their treatment of Israel, not because they were having the covenant enforced upon them nor because they were violating the Law of Moses. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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15 | Why did God give ten commandments? | Heb 8:13 | Reighnskye | 135481 | ||
Tim, It's easy to get mixed up on who posts what where and when. LOLOL. I've already lost the train of thought here, unfortunately. So I find it difficult to discern what you're saying/asking, and therefore difficult to answer. I'm lost in outer space now. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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