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1 | Is this person saved? | Heb 6:4 | charis | 7515 | ||
Dear JVH0212, While Harper's observation may be true, and is most certainly true from God's point of view, no one on earth can claim knowledge of a person's salvation or condemnation. This knowledge is privy to God alone. We can only measure a few outward signs, but cannot measure the heart of man. 'Once saved, always saved' and ' one cannot be born again, again' are true *theological* statements. But there remains great doubt about our ability to truly know who is saved and who is not. As a minister, I offer a few practical examples: Person A goes to a 'revival' meeting, 'gives his heart to the Lord,' is told that he is born again, and gets a New Testament. He goes to church a few times, but the pastor is a stinker. So, he goes back to the bars. Later, he remembers the words of hope and returns to the Lord and returns to church. In the meantime the old pastor is fired, and a real shepherd is now in charge. He receives Person A into the fold, cares for him, and he becomes a fine Christian man. (This scenario is not so outlandish as one might think!) Is Person A saved? Person B is born into a Christian family. At age 12 she goes to a church camp. There is a great meeting with an altar call. She goes up, asks for forgiveness and professes Christ as Savior and she is prayed for. (she may even receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues) Person B is 'on fire for the Lord!' A few years later, attending public high school, parents divorced, she gets in with the 'wrong crowd.' (It happens, folks!) Again, a few years later she repents, and turns toward God. Her Mom's pastor says, "Sorry, you had your (one) chance." Is Person B saved? Are these ridiculous? Was the 'first' experience just and illusion or 'wrongly discerned?' Will the second experience 'take' until death? I don't know, and neither does anybody (but God). Theology is fine, but just wait until you are in the counselor's chair :-) In Jesus' name, charis |
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2 | Is this person saved? | Heb 6:4 | Searcher56 | 7524 | ||
Only God knows ... But, saying a prayer, going forward, et. al. does not mean one called on Him for their salvation. We cannot say if anyone was born again. Is going to bars, running with the wrong crowd any worse than going 1 MPH over the speed limit or honoring your parents? All are sins. If people like Mother Theresa did not accept Chirst into their heart, they are lost. On the other hand, there are people who accept the Lord minutes before they die. BTW Satan can copy "speaking in tongues" as well as other things. |
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3 | Only God knows...but, what? | Heb 6:4 | charis | 7527 | ||
Dear Steve, Only God knows...But? But what? Only God knows, right? I fail to see the gist of your answer. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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4 | Only God knows...but, what? | Heb 6:4 | Searcher56 | 7528 | ||
Only God knows who is saved ... and the person themselves. You asked "Is this person saved?" | ||||||
5 | Only God knows...but, what? | Heb 6:4 | charis | 7530 | ||
Dear Steve, That was the point of my original question. Only God knows, and the person themself. Every person that comes to the Lord (or is apprehended by Jesus, or gives their heart to the Lord) knows they are saved. But they stumble. Then some repent, calling upon His name for mercy, and grace is poured forth again. This person knows (again) that God has granted salvation. You must either say that man cannot discern his own salvation, or God can (and does) grant repentance to those that fall away. This is precisely why I do not believe that 'born again' is a finite moment. You have the 'born again, again predicament.' Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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6 | Only God knows...but, what? | Heb 6:4 | jim | 7580 | ||
In Acts 2 Peter preached the first message of the church and after he got done in verse 40 he said Save yourselves from this untoward generation. We must choose everyday to follow Jesus. If one falls. stumbles, or wanders i think they shall repent and be forgiven but one who has tasted and then turns maybe maybe not. I know God is just and after we get back and repent can we ever gain the ground we lost. I will never say saved or lost, i mostly check the fruit they have. Jim | ||||||