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1 | Are Catholic members consider Christian? | Heb 12:23 | rakpak | 217183 | ||
And with this I am in total agreement "We are not here to ferret out something new, but to ferret out the old truths (Jeremiah 6:16). We should ever be suspicious of newness and uniqueness." Thats kinda my point Doc and I very much appreciate your input. Charles Spurgeon had some good writings along with lots of others, but the ones I like to learn from are the writers of scripture itself. Gill and Barnes have some good stuff also, as I have there writings also. Are they 100 percent correct on everything? No more than I am or you or stjohn. Jer 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. So what some consider "new teachings" or doctrines, are what some of us consider to be the old path, the path our Heavenly father has laid down for us to walk in. When I see things taught and observed that are not in scripture, thats when I become suspicious. |
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2 | Are Catholic members consider Christian? | Heb 12:23 | DocTrinsograce | 217190 | ||
Dear RakPak, Yes, we are so blessed to have the verbal plenary inspired Word of God. You asked, "Are they [Gill and Barnes] 100 percent correct on everything?" No, they are not inerrant -- just as the prophets and the apostles were not inerrant. Inerrancy and infallibility are attributes of the Scriptures alone. I will explain further in a moment. These great pastors and teachers of church history have been examined, scrutinized, studied, critiqued, etc. by Christian scholars for generations. They have stood the test of time -- not only in their respective denominations, but across the spectrum of orthodoxy. In order to appreciate any given commentator, one must understand the basis from which they speak. That will allow you to rightly judge them. Nonetheless, to neglect them altogether -- a common malady in the anti-intellectual movements of our day -- is neglecting an explicit gift from the Lord Jesus Christ (Ephesians 4:8), part of the plunder of which we are beneficiaries (Psalm 68:18). How would we want to neglect even the least of His gifts, much less the ones that will make us more like Him (Ephesians 4:13) and prevent us from falling into error (v14)? It is good that you ask these questions, for they are fundamental to the doctrine of sola Scriptura, something important for you to understand when posting on the SBF. I would commend to you the Westminster Confession of Faith (1646). You see, Albert Barnes was a Presbyterian, and if you want to know anything of the Presbyters, you would appropriately start there. (For a more brief summary, look to the Westminster Shorter Catechism.) Barnes would have affirmed that document in accepting and retaining his ordination. To understand John Gill, you would correctly start with the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith. That document is built on the WCF. I will, therefore, quote it alone for you, with the assurance that virtually the same words are in the older document. Gill was also a pastor -- in fact, he was the pastor of the same church that would eventually call Spurgeon to its pulpit. Gill was what we would call today an Historic Baptist, and his ordination and continued ministerial position necessitated his affirmation of this confession. "The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith and obedience (2 Timothy 3:15-17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20), although the light of nature and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and His will which is necessary unto salvation (Romans 1:19-21; 2:14-15; Psalm 19:1-3). Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal Himself, and to declare that His will unto His church (Hebrews 1:1); and afterwards for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing His will unto His people being now ceased (Proverbs 22:19-21; Romans 15:4; 2 Peter 1:19-20)." --1689 LBCF 1:1 "The supreme judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit, into which Scripture so delivered, our faith is finally resolved (Matthew 22:29, 31-32; Ephesians 2:20; Acts 28:23)." --1689 LBCF 1:10 You will notice that in the last statement, the framers of these documents included themselves! Fundamental to the doctrine of sola Scriptura is that all authority must be rooted and wholly rooted in Scripture. I will answer your other question, tomorrow, after the Lord's Day services. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Are Catholic members consider Christian? | Heb 12:23 | rakpak | 217193 | ||
"after the Lord's Day services" This would be an interesting topic if we are allowed to discuss it on here. | ||||||
4 | Are Catholic members consider Christian? | Heb 12:23 | DocTrinsograce | 217198 | ||
Action arises form doctrine. Let's stick with the questions of orthodoxy before branching unprepared into orthopraxy. | ||||||
5 | Are Catholic members consider Christian? | Heb 12:23 | rakpak | 217199 | ||
Ok, we have orthodox Jews, orthodox RCC, orthodox eastern, orthodox western, so which one is correct? | ||||||
6 | Are Catholic members consider Christian? | Heb 12:23 | DocTrinsograce | 217202 | ||
Dear RakPak, That is a good question, and an important one for you to ask as you work out compliance with the Terms of Use. We are gradually drawing closer to a workable definition for you. The word orthodoxy comes from two Greek words: ortho and doxa; i.e., right opinion or right thinking. When we speak on the forum of Christian orthodoxy, we try to do so within the fairly wide-ranging definition of our gracious host, the Lockman Foundation. We have been defining for you a more complete explanation of sola Scriptura. The Lockman Foundation certainly embraces that fundamental set of doctrines. In addition, they have variously affirmed the teachings found in the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Chalcedonian Creed. This broad set of doctrines allows us to study the Word together, in ways that avoid heterodoxy (i.e., wrong opinion or wrong thinking), and stay within the objectives of Lockman. Again, these doctrines have been articulated over time in order to deal with the common errors that the church has faced. The creeds themselves summarize our understanding of the most basic -- and essential -- Christian beliefs. The creeds are not fundamentally inerrant or infallible, but they are immensely useful for believers to achieve appropriate consensus, discussion, and division. In Him, Doc |
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7 | Are Catholic members consider Christian? | Heb 12:23 | Makarios | 217229 | ||
Greetings Doc! Great post, brother! Here is some more good stuff: "PARAGRAPH 4. The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, and obeyed, dependeth not upon the testimony of any man, or Church; but wholly upon God (who is truth itself) the author thereof: and therefore it is to be received, because it is the Word of God.[a] a. 2 Pet. 1:19, 21; 2 Tim. 3:16; 1 John 5:9; 1 Thess. 2:13. PARAGRAPH 5. We may be moved and induced by the testimony of the Church to an high and reverend esteem of the Holy Scripture.[a] And the heavenliness of the matter, the efficacy of the doctrine, the majesty of the style, the consent of all the parts, the scope of the whole (which is, to give all glory to God), the full discovery it makes of the only way of man's salvation, the many other incomparable excellencies, and the entire perfection thereof, are arguments whereby it doth abundantly evidence itself to be the Word of God: yet notwithstanding, our full persuasion and assurance of the infallible truth and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts.[b] a. 1 Tim. 3:15. b. 1 John 2:20, 27; John 16:13-14; 1 Cor. 2:10-12; Isa. 59:21. PARAGRAPH 6. The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.[a] Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward illumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the Word:[b] and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the Church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature, and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed.[c] a. 2 Tim. 3:15-17; Gal. 1:8-9; 2 Thess. 2:2. b. John 6:45; 1 Cor. 2:9-12. c. 1 Cor. 11:13-14; 14:26, 40. PARAGRAPH 7. All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all:[a] yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation, are so clearly propounded, and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them.[b] a. 2 Pet. 3:16. b. Ps. 119:105, 130." Citations of Chapter 1, Paragraphs 3-7 of the Westminster Confession of Faith, posted here with the help of Theophilos Software. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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8 | Are Catholic members consider Christian? | Heb 12:23 | DocTrinsograce | 217231 | ||
Is that cool or what? When you're confessional, it leaves nothing to doubt -- in your teaching and in your profession. It also makes for great self-analysis. Can you imagine where we'd be if those Godly divines of old said, "No creed by Christ, no confession but the Bible." Whew! | ||||||