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1 | A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? Intro | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 169794 | ||
A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? Intro By Rev. Bill Lee-Warner '"...looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus" 'Titus 2:13 is often used by pretribulationists to show that there is a difference (of time and objective) between what they refer to as "the Rapture" and "the Revelation of Christ." 'The "blessed hope" and the "glorious appearing" are said to be two different events, or in effect, two distinct comings of Christ. For the pretribulationist, the "blessed hope" is seen as the Rapture, when Christ comes (secretly) "for" the saints at the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel while the "glorious appearing" is seen as Christ's physical return to earth "with" His saints at the end of the 70th week of Daniel, for the final judgment of the world and the setting up of the Millennial Kingdom on earth. 'For the following reasons, this passage in Titus cannot support the notion that there are two comings (parousia) of Christ: one for the saints, the "blessed hope" and one for the world, "the appearing of the glory of... Christ Jesus."' ____________________ www.solagroup.org/ articles/faqs/faq_0011.html |
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2 | A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? Intro | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 169795 | ||
A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? I By Rev. Bill Lee-Warner '1. In Greek grammar, there is a rule known as Granville Sharp's rule, which says in simplified form that if two nouns of the same case are connected by the conjunction 'and' and if the definite article (the) is used preceding the first of the nouns and is not (necessarily) repeated before the second noun, the latter always relates to the same person or event described by the first noun as identical or at least similar. 'By using Grandville Sharp's rule in Titus 2:13, we see that the "and" joins "the blessed hope" and "the appearing of our ... Savior, Christ Jesus". The meaning of the conjunction "and" may be translated "even" or "also". It is therefore to be understood that the two phrases are equal in relationship. In other words, they are not two completely different time and event references, rather, they are both speaking of an event that has a common referent or focal point. 'A literal translation of Titus 2:13 would then be: '"...while we wait for the blessed hope even [the] glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,"' ____________________ www.solagroup.org/ articles/faqs/faq_0011.html |
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3 | A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? Intro | Titus 2:13 | mark d seyler | 169801 | ||
Hi Kalos, I definitely agree with you on this, that this verse in Titus does not show the Pre-Trib rapture. Proponents of the Pre-Trib rapture do themselves a disservice in using this verse for support. Which is a pity, since there are so many Biblical teachings which truly do support the Pre-Trib rapture. But speaking of a "2-part" coming of Christ, didn't Jesus' first coming take place over a period of about 33 years? Could not His second coming, His parousia, occupy a certain period of time as well? Such as, beginning with the removal of the Church (the rapture), continuing as He directs the judging of the world, culminating in the end of the age? In fact, wouldn't that description apply equally to both the Pre-Wrath and the Pre-Trib (which is also pre-wrath) rapture models? Just some thoughts... Love in Christ, Mark |
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