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1 | Is Steve really all wrong? | 1 Tim 3:2 | EdB | 6974 | ||
I think this response is a little harsh and maybe even wrong if it was directed, as I suspect, at Steve. I asked a question awhile back in the forum “Should the Bible be taken literally?” Nearly everyone wanted to place a qualifier to my question. No one that I recall would give a black and white answer except Steve. Yet scripture tells us to let our yea be yea and nay’s be nay. (For everyone that is ready to jump, yes, I know I took this out of context, bear with me a moment). I belong to a denomination that allows men that were convicted murderers to become ordained ministers, provided they committed the murder before they were saved. However no divorced man can ever be a Pastor. No matter if the divorce happened before salvation or not. I always thought that to be wrong or at least unfair. I was talking about my feelings on this subject to a man one day and he said, “Yes in man’s eyes that is categorically unfair, however God has an excellent reason for insisting on the standards He did. If we do what seems right in our eyes we are weakening what God intended. God’s standards are much higher than ours, His ways are different than ours, His ways are always right.” “Maybe too much of man’s “fairness” has gotten into the church and that may be one of the reasons the church instead of being the dominate force of society it was meant to be, finds itself defending its every move.” There was wisdom in that man’s response! I’m not ready to take everything quite as literally as Steve does, but open your thought process, is there not some validity in what Steve is saying? Could it be God has a reason why He wanted a man that was to be the leader of a local body to know exactly what is was like to have a wife and children? So that man could have real compassion and understanding of marital problems or what it is really like to have kids. To hear the person you love most in the world standing before you with their little twisted up faces and shout I hate you. The argument that Paul wasn’t married and didn’t have kids, I don't think stands here. He was an Apostle on a mission not a pastor of a local work. Also we have made being a pastor a profession rather than a calling. We in our human wisdom say should a man not be allowed to follow his chosen profession just because he never married? May be we should. Maybe the man himself should reexamine what it is God has called him to do. Maybe he was called to be a teacher, missionary, an evangelist, social worker, and the list goes on. Think about this discussion. If we rightly divide the scripture is it all wrong to take the Bible literally? Throughout history every society or age has placed it’s assumed meaning to Bible passages. The results of this many times has been far less than desirable and many times even disastrous. Is it time we get back to where God is? Where is that, some may ask? May it be in the literal interpretation of the bible? Is it all wrong to hold a pastor’s calling in such high esteem that not every person is qualifies? If your going to respond to this question please respond to the questions I asked and points I made not to the examples I used. I intended no offense by anything I said, please take none. Be blessed and be a blessing |
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2 | Is Steve really all wrong? | 1 Tim 3:2 | Makarios | 6984 | ||
EdB, I realize that you feel that Steve was just providing his point of view, and by all rights, he has that privilege as we all do. However, the issue here is not "Whether we should take the Bible literally or not". The issue has gotten way off the original question that was posted, and it has led one of our fellow members to do so much as doubt the leadership of Paul, which is proven factual through Scripture! This and other erroneous misinterpretations that have resulted from the misinterpretation of the above cited verse (1 Tim 3:2) have caused the reponses by a few members to provide some 'constructive criticism' where it is needed so that we may study the Bible without bringing our presuppositions to it. In no way can Steve back up his claim and that has been pointed out to him. It is these types of 'misrenderings' that can be either (1) taken as a joke, or (2) read by someone who is not a believer or 'weak' believer and taken as truth, or (3) taken seriously and rebuked or corrected by those who want to see good Bible based answers to good questions. In no way do we want to 'exclude' any members, but we should keep a tight restraint on what we put here on the Forum, since ANYONE can see this, and we should be dealing with Truth instead of the opinions of a few people that refuse to provide sensible answers in good stewardship (or in this case, one person).I appreciate your allusion to your church and what you spoke of, but I believe that it does not relate entirely to the situation at hand. I appreciate your concern and I appreciate your willingness to 'pull for the underdog' here, but this is exactly the type of thing that threatens the health of the Forum and keeps good students of the Bible (who will provide good, solid answers to Biblically based questions) away from the Forum or only as 'observers' of the Forum, afraid to come into the 'limelight'. | ||||||
3 | Is Steve really all wrong? | 1 Tim 3:2 | Hank | 6988 | ||
Amen, Nolan, Amen. You have spoken the truth, and you have spoken it well. --Hank | ||||||