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1 | God always gets what he desires? T or F | 1 Tim 2:3 | Norton | 213088 | ||
I was wondering how others felt about the use of the word DESIRES here and do you think it means wants and or wills and does God always get what he wants? | ||||||
2 | God always gets what he desires? T or F | 1 Tim 2:3 | CDBJ | 213107 | ||
Greetings sir, Where is the verse that you are referring to that contains the word desire so the answer can be kept in context? CDBJ |
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3 | God always gets what he desires? T or F | 1 Tim 2:3 | Norton | 213114 | ||
Hi CDBJ, Thank you for your interest. If you click on the top line where it starts NASB 1 Tim 2:3 it will give you the complete verse. I hope people do not get offended with me for my questions, I understand there are certain things you must consider when trying to understand what was written. But for me this is a very interesting verse that is in parts found else where in the NT. To me its one of the most uplifting verses. I suppose what I was asking is: do you think desires is the correct word here. When I desired my boat and motor I still didn't get the boat and motor, but I think it would be different if God desired something. Anyway I'm looking for another thought. |
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4 | God always gets what he desires? T or F | 1 Tim 2:3 | CDBJ | 213126 | ||
Greetings Norton, We just won’t worry about what others think! When I looked at the verse, this is what I came up with and that’s what stimulated my original question to you. 1 Tim. 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, The word desires isn’t even mentioned in the verse. For some reason we still don’t fine ourselves on the same page? Don’t give up on me yet; I’m sure we can get this all together. Have a great day, CDBJ |
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5 | God always gets what he desires? T or F | 1 Tim 2:3 | keliy | 213129 | ||
Hi, I think this might make it easier on you. 7 translations. Just add this, (2:4) to the verse 2:3, above. who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. NASB Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. KJV for he wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth. NLT who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. NIV who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; Young's who desires that all men should be saved and come to [the] knowledge of [the] truth. Darby's Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Webster's "thelo" is the Greek word that follows 'Who', and here is the def. for you: 1) to will, have in mind, intend a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose b) to desire, to wish c) to love 1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing d) to take delight in, have pleasure Blessings, keliy |
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6 | God always gets what he desires? T or F | 1 Tim 2:3 | KcabmI4 | 213139 | ||
Hello Keliy When I was reading your post with the seven different translations. I was having a thought from seeing this verse repeated so many times. Now Iam having a question for you. Why would God that Predestinated a few. Eph.1:5 -- Rom. 8:29 Then have a (Desire) for all to be saved? God being soverign can do as he pleases. Why then because God did not Predestinate them? Would he desire all when they are not having the chance to be getting saved? 1 Tim. 2:3,4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. NASB Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. KJV for he wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth. NLT who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. NIV who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; Young's who desires that all men should be saved and come to [the] knowledge of [the] truth. Darby's Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Webster's Why would God that desires all men to be saved. Then only Predestinate a few? In Jesus KcabmI4 |
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7 | God always gets what he desires? T or F | 1 Tim 2:3 | keliy | 213141 | ||
Hi KcabmI4, Thank you for your question. I saw this after I posted the 7 translations. My suggestion would be to look at the last definition for the Greek word "thelo" to take delight in, have pleasure I would definitely say that God would take delight in all men being saved. So then, that would be His desire. Yes, God can do as He pleases. Like Norton's reference to desiring a new motor for his boat. It would be simple for God to just command a motor to become new. God could also command us to love Him, but that would not be true love. In order for love to be true, there must be an alternative. Or else we would just be a race of talking heads. Without the capacity to decide, -can we possibly make a choice? Faith, and blessings to you. keliy |
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8 | God always gets what he desires? T or F | 1 Tim 2:3 | KcabmI4 | 213155 | ||
Hello Keliy You are saying "My suggestion would be to look at the last definition for the Greek word "thelo" to take delight in, have pleasure Yes Iam agreeing with you on the Greek word "thelo". You are saying "I would definitely say that God would take delight in all men being saved." Yes Iam agreeing with you on this statement also. Even if the other words are being used (pleasure delight) that would not be changing the sounding of the scripture to me. It would still be saying that God is having this desire for all mankind to be saved. But the question is being. Why when God is having the power by being (soverin) would he be having this desire? He was being the one deciding how everything would be. In saying he desires all men to be saved. Is this not then saying that all men are having the possability of being saved? Or is it saying that he is regreting that he has only predestinated a few? Because what Iam understanding is that there are then 2 apposing beleafs. Unless I have missed the scripture that is the reconsiling of these 2 beleafs. Is there any scripture doing this thing? You are saying "God could also command us to love Him, but that would not be true love. In order for love to be true, there must be an alternative. Without the capacity to decide, can we possibly make a choice?" Again Iam agreeing with you. This is being the reason Iam having these questions. This is being what Iam thinking. If God has predestinated who he wanted to be saved before the foundations of the world. Do we (all mankind) ever have the possability to make a choice? If God has given to us (all mankind) an alternative. A capasity to decide. Then who are the ones being predestinated? I hope I have been clear to you Blessings to you my brother KcabmI4 |
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9 | God always gets what he desires? T or F | 1 Tim 2:3 | keliy | 213158 | ||
Hi KcabmI4, You are asking some very good questions, Keep 'em coming :o) You are being clear enough to answer the question, but I might not give the right answer, so we are both human, ok? You ask why would God be having this desire? Well I would answer that since God had enough wisdom to give us freedom of choice, then it would grieve Him whenever we made the wrong choice. Also, (I am going out on a limb here,) words in physical nature are not the same concept in the spiritual realm. When God is said to have regrets, does it really mean what we think? The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. ( Gen 6:6) Since God knew what would happen, there must be some way to describe what God felt. Did God make a mistake? I believe that is against His nature. But for lack of a better word, the NASB uses 'sorry' So, I think you are right when you say how you understand it: "Because what Iam understanding is that there are then 2 apposing beleafs." Yes there are. This is called the debate between 'predestination', and 'free will' This has been debated before and will continue to be so. I say there is a little of both. How much of each is hard to say. But to claim that God uses only one to the exclusion of the other is unbiblical. God chooses people for His purpose, that is true. Examples would include King David, The race of Jews, and the Virgin Mary. Jesus used the Greek word 'eklektos to refer to those who were chosen by God. And He also told the Apostles, that He chose them, they did not choose Him. On the other hand, the Bible never directly tells us when or if people are predestined for hell. But God has used evil people to accomplish His holy purpose. In the Book of Romans, Paul says that evil Pharoah was 'raised up' to be an example of God's power. God also chose Jacob over Esau. God reserves His right to choose to have mercy on some more than others. John prophesies that God will turn over the kingdom of Israel to the beast to fulfill His Word. Yet the conundrum begins when we are told we have free will. In Deuterotomy God tells the people to choose to follow Him: "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, (Deuteronomy 30:19) Joshua instructs likewise: "And if it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." (Joshua 24:15) There are other Old Testament verses telling us to choose to follow the Lord. Besides the verses that tell us to make choices, there are verses that say how we are to live. -Obviously, following this advice requires the ability to choose. Choice is not possible if everything is predestined. The Bible says that Jesus died for the sins of all and wants all to repent. I feel that we all are to exalt Jesus so that Father God may be glorified. I have given here a view of free will and of predestination. It is clear that the Bible does not favor either one. I believe that God fore-ordains history. I do not believe that He forces history. But, God puts people in places so that His will is done. There are also different aspects of God's will. Think about God's perfect will, then about His permissive will. I believe you will increase your understanding, but do not try to decipher everything at once. It all is in the Lord's time. joyful blessings to you and yours. keliy |
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10 | Over-explaining simple verses? | 1 Tim 2:3 | PaulD | 213701 | ||
Here’s a sincere question. Though it comes after reading predestination/ free will discussions here and elsewhere, it’s not necessarily limited to predestination. Nor does it comes with an underlying point of view – unless you consider confusion a point of view! Here it is: Wouldn't a bible student be justified in taking verses at face value whenever possible? Would God condemn someone for believing a plain, simple, even childlike view of scripture passages? You’d think the answer would be obvious. Yet people on both sides ask us to put stock in long explanations about certain verses whose plain and simple meanings they find inconvenient. Often the explanations boil down to, "I shall now use human logic to explain what God was really thinking when he said this." To put the question another way, it's a principle of science (and, really, of life) that the simplest explanations are most often the correct ones. Is there any reason a lay Bible student can’t consistently apply this to scripture explanations from both sides and let the conclusions fall where they may? Thanks. P.S. Pardon me if this post is placed in the wrong thread. As a newcomer here, I'm still finding navigation a bit confusing. |
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11 | Over-explaining simple verses? | 1 Tim 2:3 | srbaegon | 213718 | ||
Hello PaulD, Part of good hermeneutics is to assume the plain, straight-forward meaning of the text unless there is a good reason not to. Steve |
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12 | Over-explaining simple verses? | 1 Tim 2:3 | PaulD | 213720 | ||
Thanks. That's a concise and straightforward answer to a question I probably could have worded better. Appreciate it. | ||||||