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1 | What?!? | 1 Tim 2:14 | djconklin | 29859 | ||
Tim, Thanks for your comments. A couple of clarifications: Eve is according to the Hebrew an "helpmeet" not an "equal power". While there is evidence of women being prophets within the early church, witnessing to others and being deaconesses (our word) there is no evidence of any woman having a leadership role in ministry. You are somewhat correct about the word "authentien" (from which we get our word 'authentic", btw); it means "to usurp authority"--how the KJV translators knew that is a bit os a mystery. The problem I have with this partiucular verse is that on the face of it man should be the last one trusted since he knew he was wrong whereas Eve was at least deceived. A thought that just came to me is that perhaps we need to look at what Paul is not saying (i.e., that what we have is an argument in capsule form here.). If Adam had exercised his leadership role then Eve would not have been deceived and there would have been no sin in the first place. |
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2 | What?!? | 1 Tim 2:14 | Morant61 | 29900 | ||
Greetings Djconklin! "Helpmeet" is the KJV translation of 'ezeer'. This word is used 21 times in the OT, all but a couple are in reference to the strength of God. Therefore, Walter Kaiser, Jr. has purposed the following translation of Gen. 2:18 - "I will make a power corresponding to man." This even makes sense of the context, where Adam is naming the animals and is unable (Gen. 2:20) to find a "power" corresponding to him. The word never referred to an inferior, but always to someone of equal or greater power who is able to help. Concerning the line of thought, I don't think Paul was trying to excuse Adam - since he puts the weight of the fall fully on his shoulders in other verses. I think he was simply responding to an attempt by certain wives to usurp their husband's proper authority, and Paul simply uses Eve to remind them of what can happen. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | What?!? | 1 Tim 2:14 | djconklin | 29963 | ||
Tim, I wouldn't say that "help-meet" implies inferiority in any sense of the word. It interesting to note, as you have, that the same word to describe Eve is also used to describe God. I think I can agree with you summation; I just wish that Paul; had been more clear. From what I have read by many scholars when they looked at this verse and its surrrounding context they were certainly confused and gave very unclear counsel in regards to it all. |
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4 | What?!? | 1 Tim 2:14 | Morant61 | 30025 | ||
Greetings Djconklin! Alas, there are definitely parts of Scripture that we would have cleared up if we could! But, then there would probably be 1000 times the confusion! :-) I think this in definitely one of those instances where the occasional nature of Paul's epistles makes it very difficult to understand. He and his audience were both very clear on what issue Paul was addressing, while we are left to guess. However, the main point seems to be fairly clear! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | What?!? | 1 Tim 2:14 | djconklin | 30074 | ||
Tim, I must confess that since I have put some more thought into it I'm going to have to back off accepting your version of what is being said. This is because it basically ignores what the text says. Paul's point seems to be on who knew what when being tempted. BTW, thanks for the kind spirit of your responses--it is a real breath of fresh air! |
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