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1 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Radioman2 | 85897 | ||
JOYCE MEYER WHAT IS REAL PROOF? 'Meyer says “that the changed lives are proof enough,” that she’s “anointed by God to do what I’m doing.”13 As is the Charismatic tendency, this is a subjective posture. Every cult and aberrational sect on the face of the Earth appeals to “changed lives” as a means of validating their claims that they represent God. Latter-day Saints, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and others all validate that they are “anointed by God” to do what they’re doing by virtue of “changed lives.” As such, her logic is as flawed as cult logic. Meyer needs something more concrete on which to base her claims. Remember, Christianity is based on facts, not feelings. Holy Ghost “goose bumps,” liver quivers or even subjective short-term change are not the confirmation of the Christian faith. 'Objectively speaking, her literature and tapes are “proof enough” that she is not anointed! Listening to her twists, turns and changes could only lead one to conclude that God is confused. Meyer’s appeal to have God’s blessing upon her ministry is questionable when one considers that God does not empower the vanguards of the Church to teach false and heretical doctrine. 'Sadly, when careful exegetes of God’s Word challenge her theology, she resorts to calling them “religious people” (pg. 55) who only criticize her for not being as well-educated as they are and then appeals to her “anointing” as proof that she is free to ignore them.' ____________________ THE PREACHER WHO DOESN’T TELL IT LIKE IT IS: THE TRUTH TWISTING AND TALL TALES OF JOYCE MEYER by Paul R. Belli and G. Richard Fisher This is an excerpt from the article. To read more go to: (http://www.pfo.org/preacher.htm) |
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2 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85966 | ||
Ok I am bored now, in my opinion Joyce won the debate. :) | ||||||
3 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | EdB | 85970 | ||
Scribe That's not how I would call it. I think Radioman2 did more than amble job showing the fallacies of her teaching. I say well done Radioman!!! EdB |
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4 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85978 | ||
Part 1 of 2 Posted below you will find some error from the Lutherans. It is as much error as the posts that have been given from Joyce or Kenneth Copeland. But I do not call the Lutheran Pastor who teaches this error a false teacher or a false prophet unless... He teaches that the baby goes to hell without this baptism. Then I would say it is false doctrine because then he preaches salvation through something other than faith in Christ alone, which is one of the other marks of a false teacher, one that denies Christ. If the redemption of Christ is extended toward this baby who cannot reason by virtue of baptism in the Luthern Church, then this redemption of Christ is extended to this baby who cannot reason without the baptism in water also or otherwise it is not the redemption of the supstitutionary sacrifice of Christ of which they are having faith in, because that reality stands whether the baby is baptized or not, so it either extends to babies or it does not. If on the other hand the Lutheran pastor believes this is biblical, but does not go so far as to say he thinks the baby goes to hell without it then I do not label him as a false prophet, only wrong, as he should label Joyce and Kenneth as wrong and not false prophets or teachers. WHY DO LUTHERANS BAPTIZE INFANTS? To begin with it should be noted that infant baptism has been practiced in the Christian Church as far back as we can trace. There appears to be no time in the history of the Church when infants were not baptized. In addition to this there is no trace in either the New Testament or the early Church of the Baptism of the children of Christian parents who had been brought up in the faith. It appears then that they were either baptized as babies or they were never baptized. What this means is that Lutherans really do not have to defend the Biblical, Holy, Christian and Apostolic practice of infant baptism, it stands on its own. The burden of proof lies with those who would abandon it. Presently we find a segment of Christianity which practices believers baptism. This group does not practice infant baptism but usually has some sort of consecration of the child to God. Lutherans baptize infants because: 1) It is biblical. While it is true that there is no command to baptize infants (babies) in the bible, it is also true that there is no command to baptize adults. The biblical command is to baptize people (all nations.) Our Lord Jesus clearly considered infants (babies) and children to be people. One of the few times that our Lord grew angry was when His disciples tried to keep the children away from Him. "When Jesus saw this, he was indignant (angry). He said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." Mark 10:14 (NIV) Our Lord tells us to baptize all nations. Matthew 28:19 He never tells us to baptize just reasoning adults. All nations clearly included the children of those nations. "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" Matthew 28:19 (NIV) Those who have a problem with infant baptism usually assume that saving faith must involve reason. The line of thought seems to be that since a very young child cannot reason - a child cannot have such faith. Most who follow this line of reasoning believe that baptism is a work of man which demonstrates, or flows from, faith. This is a sharp contrast with the Biblical position that Baptism is a gracious gift of God that bestows saving faith. What we need to remember here is the fact that the Bible teaches that salvation comes through faith and that faith itself is God's gift. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV) "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ." Romans 10:17 (NIV) God's Word cannot be bound. A child can be given a gift of a million dollars even though that child cannot appreciate it at the time. So a child can be given the gift of faith through the water and Word of Holy Baptism even if that child cannot appreciate it at the time. A related problem is that by involving man (reason) in the process of salvation one turns God's action into something in which sinful man has a part (making a decision for Christ). In so doing one destroys the heart of the gospel message. (The fact that God saves us by grace, through faith!) Think about it for a moment, if I am involved in my salvation, did I do it right? Was I sincere . . . Faith is turned from a gift of God into a work of man. And since we often make mistakes . . . Thus it is that the assurance of salvation is often lost. (continued on next post) |
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