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1 | Biblical era culture, abd Understanding | 1 Tim 2:12 | DocTrinsograce | 161480 | ||
Hi, Devon... Would you mind using normal case when writing on the forum. It is difficult for me to read and, I suspect, for others. It depends on what you mean by "secondary importance." If you mean by that that one's salvation is not dependent on one understanding or the other of this issue, then that would be correct. If you mean that our faith in the didactic writings of the apostles is optional, then you are mistaken. All Scripture is inspired by God. The words of the apostles carry the same authority as the words of Jesus. The onus of responsibility is on you and justme to demonstrate that passages like 1 Corinthians 14:33b-36 and Titus 2:3-5 only had significance for the gentile cultures of the day. The belief in the authority of the Scripture does not give us the leeway to interpret it according to our intellect, our preferences, our values, our philosophies, our cultural mores, etc. The problem nowadays is not lack of belief... the problem is that people don't like what they read. The human heart is ingenious at finding reasons to embrace the verses we like, and bypass the verses we don't. Calls for love, kindness, or unity have their place. However, God never exchanges love, kindness, or unity at the expense of truth. In Him, Doc "Divisions and separations are most objectionable in religion. They weaken the cause of true Christianity... But before we blame people for them, we must be careful that we lay the blame where it is deserved. False doctrine and heresy are even worse than schism. If people separate themselves from teaching that is positively false and unscriptural, they ought to be praised rather than reproved. In such cases separation is a virtue and not a sin." --J. C. Ryle |
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2 | Biblical era culture, abd Understanding | 1 Tim 2:12 | devon | 161511 | ||
Hi, DOC When I say secondary I mean as essentail for our salvation. Because if we take this just as what it says and not seeking a clear understanding of what is meant then women are allowed to even speak in church. We all both know this is not what he meant. I study in reference to content and context and also thru prayer. Because I began my christian journey with the same understanding on this text,but God the HOLY SPIRIT would give peace on this until I sought the truth. Now if I'm wrong I have no probelm with changing belief, but in this brother I truly belive God has a place in our weekly gathering for women. I know I'm not using many scriptures that because i'm expressing my heart felt belief to you friend. Just because many people go to different schools and PhD'S on these subjects my has always been and will always be God the Holy Spirit. Sometimes I belive we are caught on different understandings of verse of text and that okay, but I don't want to be held responsible for not allowing someone to exercise their God given gifts. Now I belive women can excercise their ability to teach to benefit the entire body because by this she is not taking authority over a man, she's just teaching God's Word. I belive women preachers or teachers but not pastors and if I'm wrong then please correct me and I will relent from this argument. your brother,devon |
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3 | Biblical era culture, abd Understanding | 1 Tim 2:12 | Wild Olive Shoot | 161539 | ||
I wondered if you would be interested in how Matthew Henry thought on the subject? 1Co 14:34-35 - Here the apostle, 1. Enjoins silence on their women in public assemblies, and to such a degree that they must not ask questions for their own information in the church, but ask their husbands at home. They are to learn in silence with all subjection; but, says the apostle, I suffer them not to teach, 1Ti_2:11, 1Ti_2:12. There is indeed an intimation (1Co_11:5) as if the women sometimes did pray and prophecy in their assemblies, which the apostle, in that passage, does not simply condemn, but the manner of performance, that is, praying or prophesying with the head uncovered, which, in that age and country, was throwing off the distinction of sexes, and setting themselves on a level with the men. But here he seems to forbid all public performances of theirs. They are not permitted to speak (1Co_14:34) in the church, neither in praying nor prophesying. The connection seems plainly to include the latter, in the limited sense in which it is taken in this chapter, namely, for preaching, or interpreting scripture by inspiration. And, indeed, for a woman to prophesy in this sense were to teach, which does not so well befit her state of subjection. A teacher of others has in that respect a superiority over them, which is not allowed the woman over the man, nor must she therefore be allowed to teach in a congregation: I suffer them not to teach. But praying, and uttering hymns inspired, were not teaching. And seeing there were women who had spiritual gifts of this sort in that age of the church (see Act_22:9), and might be under this impulse in the assembly, must they altogether suppress it? Or why should they have this gift, if it must never be publicly exercised? For these reasons, some think that these general prohibitions are only to be understood in common cases; but that upon extraordinary occasions, when women were under a divine afflatus, and known to be so, they might have liberty of speech. They were not ordinarily to teach, nor so much as to debate and ask questions in the church, but learn in silence there; and, if difficulties occurred, ask their own husbands at home. Note, As it is the woman's duty to learn in subjection, it is the man's duty to keep up his superiority, by being able to instruct her; if it be her duty to ask her husband at home, it is his concern and duty to endeavour at lest to be able to answer her enquiries; if it be a shame for her to speak in the church, where she should be silent, it is a shame for him to be silent when he should speak, and not be able to give an answer, when she asks him at home. 2. We have here the reason of this injunction: It is God's law and commandment that they should be under obedience (1Co_14:34); they are placed in subordination to the man, and it is a shame for them to do any thing that looks like an affectation of changing ranks, which speaking in public seemed to imply, at least in that age, and among that people, as would public teaching much more: so that the apostle concludes it was a shame for women to speak in the church, in the assembly. Shame is the mind's uneasy reflection on having done an indecent thing. And what more indecent than for a woman to quit her rank, renounce the subordination of her sex, or do what in common account had such aspect and appearance? Note, Our spirit and conduct should be suitable to our rank. The natural distinctions God has made, we should observe. Those he has placed in subjection to others should not set themselves on a level, nor affect or assume superiority. The woman was made subject to the man, and she should keep her station and be content with it. For this reason women must be silent in the churches, not set up for teachers; for this is setting up for superiority over the man.--Matthew Henry WOS |
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4 | Biblical era culture, abd Understanding | 1 Tim 2:12 | Searcher56 | 161542 | ||
God's day to you, WOS, You don't need to copy the whole text ... just give the link. First, it may be a copywrite - which makes it illegal. Second, it takes up space on this site. Matthew Henry is looking at this passage ... but not others on this subject, which can be dangerous. Searcher |
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5 | Biblical era culture, abd Understanding | 1 Tim 2:12 | Wild Olive Shoot | 161544 | ||
Searcher, You’re correct and I apologize. Problem was, I copied form within e-sword so I didn’t have a link directly. In the future, I’ll try to link to a reliable web-site. I’m curious concerning your comments: “Matthew Henry is looking at this passage ... but not others on this subject, which can be dangerous.” In referencing his commentary on the subject throughout scripture, I have found them to very consistently speak on the same terms. This is the case with other commentators as well. Have you found otherwise? WOS |
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6 | Biblical era culture, abd Understanding | 1 Tim 2:12 | Searcher56 | 161552 | ||
God's day to you, WOS ... I have found both. I like it better when they link other passages. - It gives me a better idea of their thought - It could give me new ideas - There are times I think they are way off ... in how they view a passage or the connection w/ other passages. My view on the role in women in ministry (and other sujects) is based on - First, Scripture - Then, what others have said ... and I am usually willing to make adjustments. |
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