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1 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | srbaegon | 123387 | ||
Hello HISROSEBUD15, I have a multi-part response. Peter said: 2 Peter 1:19-21 (ESV) And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, [20] knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. [21] For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. So all Scripture is from God Himself. Paul said: 2 Tim. 3:16-17 (ESV) All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righ teousness, [17] that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. So all Scripture is authoritative. Then Peter said: 2 Peter 3:15-16 (ESV) And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, [16] as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. Where Peter calls Paul's writing Scripture. Therefore, we must consider the verse(s) in question as God's revealed will. Steve |
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2 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Zsuzsi | 123548 | ||
Of course, Steve. But no Scripture should be taken out of biblical and historical context and so be used for teaching, reproof, correction or training in righteousness. (2Tim 2:14) If we read 1Tim 2 from the beginning, we see that Paul is calling EVERYONE to a modest and quiet life, not only the women... Women are LIKEWISE (1Tim 2:9) to be quiet and receive instruction from the men of the congregation who are not deceived by Satan as Eve was in the garden of Eden. Women were quicker to fall when it came to accepting false teachings. (2Tim 3:6) 1Tim 1 tells about existing misleadings in doctrine and living. In his epistles, Paul was trying to sort out this chaotic state of the early churches and he needed to clarify whom people should listen to and whose teachings they were to reject. Also see, for example, that in Rev 2:20 Jesus convicts the church of Thyatira of allowing the woman Jezebel to lead His people into sexual immorality and eating food sacrificed to idols. The Lord is not saying the problem is that she is a woman - the problem is with her teaching. I think we should also look at the historical context in which these epistles were written: in the ancient societies, women by tradition remained at home as housewives, most often uneducated, while their husbands were responsible for supporting the family financially. By now the status of women has increased to the extent that men in many places are equally responsible for the household tasks and women also have professional jobs. It comes without saying that no woman should teach God's Word without first learning about it but I think it would be just wrong to apply rules which were mentioned in reference to the traditions of the ancient cultures and not ours. It is much more important to look at the intentions of God and the writer of the actual passages and apply the rules appropriately in our societies. There are several passages in the Bible which are, even though truly God's inspired Word (I agree- everything in the Bible is what He wants us to know), impossible to keep word-by-word today. They wonderfully prove the Father's meticulous care to teach us how to live a healthy and peaceful life - He designed us, He knows the best what is good for us. But we know He is a God of the living, not the dead. See for example Leviticus 15, where we are instructed to wash ourselves completely when we have even touched a chair or bed which a menstruating woman has touched, and till evening we are to be considered "unclean". Can we keep that today? No. We don't even know when a woman has her period. But in contrast, God told Paul not to consider "unclean" what He has made "clean". (Acts 10:15, 11:9.) God should be allowed to choose women into His service if He wishes so... God does not want us to live under the law but to be free in Christ to serve Him according to His will (Galatians 5:18). Similarly, in contrast to the seemingly anti-feminist 2Tim 2 and 1Cor 14, we are also taught that it does not make a difference in Christ whether we are women or men (Galatians 3:28). In fact, if we take all of Paul's teachings literally, we should think women are to pray and prophesy with their heads covered, and assume that it is shame for a woman to have short hair or her long hair uncovered at all. (1Cor 11:13-15, in the context of 1Cor 11:2-16) But obviously in our modern culture it is not disgraceful at all any more... And God did actually leave marks in the Bible that tell us that He does choose women into His service: female servants of God, including prophetesses and teachers, are mentioned several times (eg. Deborah, Hannah, Esther, Anna, Priscilla, the 4 daughters of Philip etc) and Jesus also chose women into His service just as well as men (eg. the Samaritanian woman who spread His coming, Mary Magdalene, Mary and Martha the sisters of Lazarus, His mother was also with the apostles when the Holy Spirit ascended on them, etc). Looking at the biblical and social setting of 1Tim 2:4, I, genuinely and with the intention of changing my mind if it is proven that I am wrong, believe that Paul instructs women against two things in both 1Tim 2 and 1Cor 14: 1) They should not teach false doctrines (learn in humbleness and submission instead of teaching something they themselves do not know) 2) They should not engage in gossip in church (keep quiet in church, ask their husbands if there is something they are interested in etc) "But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner" 1Cor 14:40 But being a (very) young woman myself, and feeling called to God's service, if what I have written offends you in any way, please forgive me and I promise not to provoke you with this any further. I just pray that God shows me if I am wrong before I do anything that would displease Him. God bless you, your little sister in Christ, Zsuzsi |
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3 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | following him | 123560 | ||
Hello Zsuzsi; I must say you do inspire me. It is very refreshing to see someone as young as yourself with such a deep hunger for Jesus. I must also say that I agree with you entirely on this issue. Just a couple scriptures to note. Col 4:15 Greet the brethren who are in Laodicea and also Nympha and the church that is in her house. This greeting is addressed to Nympha and the church in her house. Everybody except the pastor. I find it hard to believe the Paul would send greetings to a particular church and snub the pastor unless in this case the pastor was Nympha. Although this verse does not indicate she is. Most would say that she was only the host. But it doesn't say that either. All it shows is that everybody is mentioned except the pastor. Paul could have sent greetings to John Doe leader of the church that meets in Nympha's house. Rom 16:7 Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me. Junias was a woman, yet Paul here states that she was "outstading among the Apostles" Some may say that the word for apostle has means messanger, sent out. That is true but it means that everywhere the word apostle is used. It is the same word. Paul considered her to be an apostle. God bless |
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4 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Zsuzsi | 123615 | ||
Hi Followinghim, Thank you for your words of encouragement. :-) I am glad I am not alone with my opinion. To me the Scriptures do not seem to be speaking against the possibility of women taking up pastoral jobs either. Nevertheless, as I notice, many people have very different views - and since this question is personally important to me in the period of discernment I am in anyway, I think I will directly turn to the Lord with this issue before my emotions make me too biased to accept if by any chance I am actually wrong. God bless you, Zsuzsi |
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