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1 | Is God so shortsighted? | 1 Tim 2:11 | Morant61 | 9443 | ||
Greetings EdB! I read both this question and your amended question! I can't really think of any doctrine that would necessarily be effected by the historical data. But, in your original question, you did not specify doctrine. I was simply replying to your open ended question about whether or not it was possible to fully understand Scripture without consulting circumstances or history. I do believe that we need to dig deeper into circumstances and history to fully understand some passages, especially those of an occasional nature. So, I'm not sure if I can simply answer "yes or no." p.s. - Don't worry about wars, I don't fight with brothers! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Is God so shortsighted? | 1 Tim 2:11 | EdB | 9447 | ||
Tim in context with this question is the question of women in ministry. Prayon said that this verse was not establishing doctrine but was merely correcting a problem within a local congregation. You agreed or so I thought. So I asked you the question do you think God to be so short sighted that he failed to include the needed information to correctly determine if this text was in fact stating doctrine or was just correcting a local situation? I'm not trying to put you on the spot but I think we have to face this issue. By saying God didn’t mean what he said, and you have to understand the situation and this is really what he meant is now opening the doors for all kinds of problems. Anybody that can make a plausible if not provable argument can now cast a shadow on almost any verse of scripture. We are seeing it beginning to happen with the homosexuals, they are saying the prohibition against homosexuality found in the bible isn’t that. They say it was included to stop male temple prostitution that God created homosexuals and they have been used through out history for God’s glory. Then they ask did God create second class citizens, in an effort to level the PC field. I’m certainly not trying to put women in ministry in the same light as the sin of homosexuality, but if we are going to apply outside standards to interpret one verse can we prevent another from applying outside standards to another? See where this leads where do we stop? I think we have to get back to a strict literal interpretation to avoid even more insidious conflicts in the future. |
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3 | Is God so shortsighted? | 1 Tim 2:11 | Morant61 | 9474 | ||
Greetings EdB! I've got you! I thought we were just talking about general principles! I didn't realize you were limiting your comments to just this passage! Sorry! However, even in this passage, there are many issues that are not clear. 1) Were the women discussed women in general or wives? 2) Was this a permanent practice of Paul's or a temporary practice (I am not permitting....)? 3) What does it mean to learn in quietness? The word is often used of an attitude not of a lack of speech! 4) How does this passage relate the general principles of Scripture? 5) How do we handle this passage in relation to other passage where women to teach and minister? I haven't read any intepretation of this passage that I think does total justice to it. It is not as clear what this passage means as some would have us think. For example, you mentioned the issue of homosexuality! I share your concern about the way it has been approached by some. However, I think there is a major difference between what they have done and what Prayon is refering to. There isn't any passage in Scripture that says it is okay to be a homosexual, but there are Scriptures where women are given leadership roles, prophecy, and speak in the services. Personally, I think when you have a passage like this, which is not clear, that it is best not to be dogmatic either way! I'm off for a few days at the beginning of the week, so I'll try to do some more digging and see what I can find! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Is God so shortsighted? | 1 Tim 2:11 | EdB | 9537 | ||
Tim, we must read this passage in context, the context being "conduct in public worship". In that light Paul is not giving instructions on women in ministry but women in public worship. Paul never shut them out of ministry nor did he shut them out of public worship. He just said that women should not be teaching doctrine in public worship. Should we base our doctrine on this one passage? No. However if we read all through Paul’s teachings he referenced and addressed men in the position of church leadership not women. No one can deny that is the slant of his writing. In giving the qualifications of a Bishop, elder or deacons Paul again infers it being a man. It is true Paul never said it can’t be a woman, but I think it reasonable to say Paul writings definitely never intended a woman to be a Pastor. Can God use a woman in as Pastor? Absolutely God can do whatever He wants (this kid is not going to attempt to put God in any box). However before a woman does make that step she has to weigh her perceived call against the Bible’s teaching on this subject and what she has in her spirit. I do not think she should make her decision discounting any passage (like this that give direction) because someone said it was written for a particular situation and does not pertain to today. |
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5 | Is God so shortsighted? | 1 Tim 2:11 | Morant61 | 9543 | ||
Greetings EdB! Like I said in my previous post, there are just som many unanswered questions about this verse that I'm not sure exactly how to take it. I really haven't seen any interpretation of it that answers all my questions. I'm going to be off of work at the beginning of the week, so I'm hoping to have time to do a little more research on the question. I'll try to get back to you on it! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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